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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 11, 2013 6:13:03 GMT
OK, so after seeing the pace of some of the Dorset drivers last week I 've come to the conclusion my driving needs improvement but also I need to move on from the Novak sportsman ESC and motor combo I've been running for the last year.. Looking at whats on offer (both ESC & motor) is a little confusing to say the least.. While most ESC's come with a readable spec, the motors are a different story with little or no real performace data that can be used for comparison So turning to to people that are in the know What is the flavour of the month at the moment with a sub £200 budget for both ESC and motor for TC blinky???
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Post by liampettit on Oct 11, 2013 6:39:37 GMT
I would recommend a speed passion with a hpi flux
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Post by purcyp on Oct 11, 2013 8:52:51 GMT
£200 for an esc and motor will get you the best of best.
Speed passion im on the fence with as everyone who runs em seems to have one problem or another or gets lucky n runs fine, (No brakes etc etc)
HPI Flux motor, decent but lacks any real face ripping punch like the LRP or tekin motors do plus needs the rather expensive black rotor as well for it to be competitive.
If you want to be by the books BRCA rules etc then look at GM Racing, Vampire Racing, LRP, Tekin Gen 2 RPM, Team Wave Eclipse. Novak have recently released the Vulcan but havnt heard much about them in terms of reviews.
(A lot of people are raving about the Team Wave eclipse motors)
Now for ESC's you can look at hobbywing, they just work, muchmore fleta 4 as a speed passion alternative, GM Genesis from mb models £100, theres lots out there.
final thing on motors, if you dont want to be by the book and have unholy amounts of power then look at trinity d3.5 outlaw, corally red series motors, stupid quick and very illegal for BRCA lol.
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Post by yellowshark on Oct 11, 2013 9:31:00 GMT
Hi Dave, Actually £200 will not get you the best of the Best, you will need another £60 or so. We have been using the LRP SX20 for blinkey this year and have been very impressed with it. It has a bit more torque than previous LRP/Nosram motors and is well suited to the Bashley track. Indeed we will be swapping to the 13.5 model for next season's Pro Stock races. I smile when I read all the various comments on problems people have with their ESCs. We have had 3 maybe 4 years with our Tekin ESC without a problem. Fast, easy to configure, four firmware updates since we bought ours(still the same one), bullet proof really. But then that is what you pay for, and seriously cheaper in the long run
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Post by yellowshark on Oct 11, 2013 9:34:31 GMT
... sorry hit the Enter key. I will accept though that if it is just for Blinkey it might not be the most cost effective - never researched that so do not know - but plenty of guys in the States on the Tekin forum do use it for blinkey.
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Post by ianlloyd on Oct 11, 2013 10:09:28 GMT
I am running the Tekin Pro which I got secondhand for £50. It is very simple and apart from very occasionally losing its connection and needing to be reset it has been pretty much perfect. Easy to use and adjust if required and certainly quick enough. Motors, well there are a lot out there at the moment at various prices. You will not get a brand new latest spec top of the line combo for £200 though but you will get a VERY good set up for that. The Team Eclipse seems to be OK and a few people are using it. I quite like the LED temp thingy on it but it is a bit of a gimmick. If I was going for a brand new set up right now it would probably be the LRP FLOW (don't need the TEAM version for blinky) and probably the Team Eclipse motor.
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Post by liampettit on Oct 11, 2013 14:33:01 GMT
With the tekin you have to carry around a laptop to change the settings that is why I like speed passion/hobby wing, the Duo2 that you have is a very good motor even im still running one,with the speed passion most of us at bashley know how to set up, I would put the other half£ on a better car(im not saying the mi1 is a good car but that is what I think is limiting you because I have seen in mat that he has gone nearly a lap far with a better car than the mi1,
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 11, 2013 17:19:31 GMT
Thanks all for the valuable feedback and advice..
As I said in my initial post it is really amazing that so much of the buying decision has to be made on recommendations and not really on hard technical specifications!
Agree Liam, the Mi1 is probably also not helping, as you cannot get it anyway near 1350g.. . However I believe it would still be competitive if I could match some of the straight line speed that we see in the A final Blinky cars.. I don't consider myself any where near a good race driver but when I really try my best and I'm still 4 laps off of the top 3 I do start to think its not all my poor ability to hold the best racing line...
May be I need to look at a new ESC first if you believe the duo is still competitive..
Mr L, you've owned an Mi1... . Would you say its going to be the next thing on the list to replace?
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Post by purcyp on Oct 11, 2013 17:42:38 GMT
The chassis has its limitations and i personally feel dave you are good enough to warrant moving up a step and treating yourself to something nice.
But...there is a but..Wednesday for touring seemingly is dead as we know..which is a real real shame, the duo 2 is a really fast motor so you can get a ESC and then save your money or get a supastox like you said so you can race if no TC's turn up.
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 11, 2013 19:03:51 GMT
Hey Adam, now that sounds like a plan! Very good idea, then I can run the Novak sportsman setup in the Supastox and a new ESC with the good old Duo in the Mi1... :-)
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Post by purcyp on Oct 11, 2013 19:34:15 GMT
Yup! win all round then, now supastox isnt my domain, so ill leave that to the fellas to tell ya which chassis to go for (one or two cell) tyres, etc etc
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Post by mathew watson on Oct 12, 2013 15:05:06 GMT
I would agree with Liam I'm some respects about the Mi1 chassis, I did love it and I still have it, it was great to start with and helped me to learn the track. Bit even so I was unable to get any more than 16 laps. I changed to a more high spec chassis (t3 11) and am now pushing for 19 laps with the same electronic setup of a speed passion prevention pro and a thunder power 17.5 motor (which I do like and highly recommend)
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Post by Jazzler on Oct 13, 2013 19:35:35 GMT
Hey Dave, I run the Tekin RS Pro with Duo2. No need for a laptop with Blinky, as its Blinky.. i.e. No speed settings to enter..
In fact I have run the Tekin in every competitive event I have ever run since the Gen2 esc's first came out about 4 years ago, and have you ever seen me with a laptop at the track?? Even with boosted? There was never any need to change anything, it just works.
If you can get one cheap then i'd say go for it.... it's plenty fast enough. And coupled with the Duo2 can keep up with the latest tech at Bashers.
Not to mention I have run mine in the pouring rain with no waterproofing and it still didn't skip a beat. The only problems i've had has been with old knackered and battered batteries.
Oh and if you want to borrow my USB interface for it to put your initial settings on, just let me know, you're welcome to borrow it any time (Not that I think you will need it after you first set it up).
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 14, 2013 6:18:34 GMT
Thanks Jason,
sounds like I should keep my eyes peeled for a bargin Tekin!!
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Post by ianlloyd on Oct 14, 2013 7:47:25 GMT
The Tekin does need a laptop to set up initially but once set to how you want it in blinky mode it is fine. I have never taken a laptop racing with me to make any changes. It does seem to be fairly bulletproof.
The MI1 is a good car and it can be pretty competitive when set up right. However a higher end chassis would certainly help you in the handling department and may make you more consistent. I don't seem to remember there being a huge discrepancy between you and anyone else regarding speed Dave to be honest, particularly on the straights so maybe consistency is the answer.Also it is a bit of a mind game in that you can convince yourself that a "new" chassis is faster when in fact it may not be. Just my thoughts. The Mi1 is a d**n good indoor car though just a shame not a lot of other people are doing TC indoors.
Might dig out the TA05 for indoors soon just to show you how its done!
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 14, 2013 11:45:13 GMT
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Post by yellowshark on Oct 15, 2013 0:07:28 GMT
Dave, the others are right,you do not need a Tekin + laptop for Blinkey. The only thing I would say is that there is a setting for drag brake, which mimics the old 27T drag on neutral throttle.
You might want to borrow Jez's interface and turn that off, after all the secret to Blinkey is to carry corner speed not slow down!
You can also change various settings via the esc buttons although I do not do this so off-hand am not sure which ones they are.
Also if you are doing boosted you can store two custom setups in the ESC and you can switch between these using the buttons. It also comes with a number of pre-set setups for boosted and you can swap between these using the buttons, same as the old ESCs.
But hey the fun is doing them yourself on the computer based on track feedback, just like the F1 guys ;D
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 15, 2013 6:40:55 GMT
Cheers Pete, plenty of laptop / netbook goodness here so tweeking brakes etc isn't a worry as long as I've the interface..
Just me being LAZY buit could someone confirm what the difference is between the RS and the RS Pro apart from a lot of cash???
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Post by ianlloyd on Oct 15, 2013 14:46:28 GMT
As far as I am aware (I am sure Pete will put me right if I am wrong) the difference is a much lower ON resistance in the Pro and a lower turn motor limit (2.5 turn as opposed to 7.5 turn) Looking at the specs on the TEKIN website there does not seems to be any other difference performance wise although the PRO is 0.3 of an ounce heavier so maybe there is something else inside.....
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Post by Jazzler on Oct 15, 2013 17:53:35 GMT
As Ian said. Its Resistance/Motor Limit. If I had to buy again, I would like to think I would buy the RS over the Pro, but that's simply for cost purposes... Darren O used to run the RS and vs my Pro there was nothing in it performance wise, and that was 17.5 boosted. That said my competitive nature and the devil in my ear would probably convince me to get the Pro in the end.. but i'm just poncy like that.
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 15, 2013 18:36:14 GMT
Found the answer on the Tekin site after a little digging..
The Pro has twice as many MOSFETs 28 vs 14 in the RS..
So basically lets you use a lower turn motor as has been said..
So an RS would be fine for Blinky :-)
Question is..... How much difference between original and Gen 2???
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Post by Jazzler on Oct 16, 2013 7:16:30 GMT
Now that's a question I can't answer i'm afraid. Mine is an original though.
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Post by purcyp on Oct 16, 2013 10:27:21 GMT
Gen 2 RRP is around £150
used Gen 1 so to speak you should be aiming around £80-£100 mark 2nd hand
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Post by yellowshark on Oct 18, 2013 10:51:44 GMT
Found the answer on the Tekin site after a little digging.. The Pro has twice as many MOSFETs 28 vs 14 in the RS.. So basically lets you use a lower turn motor as has been said.. So an RS would be fine for Blinky :-) Question is..... How much difference between original and Gen 2??? Enormous difference! Whether that feeds through on blinkey mode though I have no idea. Dave if you are thinking of going to original then I have a couple of top notch ones you could choose from for a paltrey sum. Took Craig to SLCC/STCC Pro-Stock A finals and gave him his personal Bashly track record
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Post by liampettit on Oct 18, 2013 16:48:31 GMT
I have just brought a new speedo( orange speed passion ) If I like the speedo I will be selling my current speedo for about 35£
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Post by Jazzler on Oct 18, 2013 18:31:06 GMT
Looking on ebay, the Tekin RS Gen2 is around £100 new from the States. Sounds like a bargain to me (Is that not just slightly more than the used RS Pro price?). Although it has an 8.5T limit... Not that it matters to most of us at Bashers. I'm not in the market for a new ESC at the moment, but if I was that's where I would be spending my hard earned..
The data logging sounds good fun too. And the Glitch Filter V2 could be useful with that electric fence around our track.
I note that there is no longer a Pro model, instead an RSX for Mod racers requiring a 2.5T limit.
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Post by purcyp on Oct 18, 2013 20:18:21 GMT
Bah Tekin confuses me lol
I know you have the RS Gen 2 which is the small new white one for £150 RRP and then before that i presume was the RS Pro, which second hand £70-£100 i reckon. And then theres the very new RSX which i dont know much about
Remember with importing especially from America whatever you pay in dollars after import tax etc will near enough be the same in pounds ..
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Post by Jazzler on Oct 19, 2013 7:55:14 GMT
I think it's actually rather simple imo..
1. RS/RSPro - Legacy model - Blinky/Stock/Pro Stock/Mod 2. RS Gen2 - Current model - Blinky/Stock/Pro Stock 3. RSX - Current model - Mod
Good point re import tax. I'd forgotten about that...
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Oct 19, 2013 16:43:59 GMT
Hmmm, I'm popping over to the big Apple in January
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Post by Mike V on Oct 20, 2013 6:57:44 GMT
Liam, you have an SP at the moment haven't you? If you are selling it I'll probably take you up on the £35...
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