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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 16, 2015 17:01:24 GMT
Dave you know sometimes you just have to.........
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Post by mart59 on Nov 16, 2015 19:43:03 GMT
I have a TD10 kit still boxed I will bring it on Wednesday if any one wants to look at one
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 16, 2015 20:07:45 GMT
Both cars ready for Wednesday. TT02 Golf and T4 Merc. out of interest, when finished ready to race the TT02 weighs 1464 gms and the T4 weighs 1334 gms. Using the same battery.
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 17, 2015 7:06:14 GMT
That really surprises me Ian, I've never got my Mi1 anywhere near 1500g!! But then again I've never had to worry about adding weight! (me or the car LOL)
Looking forward to seeing the kit on Wednesday Martin :-)
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 17, 2015 7:45:48 GMT
If anyone else is thinking of buying a TD10 from Hobbyking let me know as the £6 postage fee allows for at least 3 cars to be ordered for the same postage :-)
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 17, 2015 8:23:35 GMT
Does that mean you are having to get one then Dave?
Will be interesting to see the boxed one Martin is bringing on Wednesday.
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 17, 2015 12:33:15 GMT
Possibly Ian, a whole car for the price of a couple of sets of tyres?? seems to good to miss!
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Post by theslacker on Nov 17, 2015 13:27:15 GMT
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 18, 2015 7:10:45 GMT
Good find Andrew!!
However it looks like Ian has beat us to them... All sold out :-(
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 18, 2015 8:15:13 GMT
Search E Bay for "RC Turnigy TD10 1/10 Belt-Driven 4WD Touring Car (KIT)" they are still showing 3 available.
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Post by theslacker on Nov 18, 2015 9:01:53 GMT
I think Dave is referring to the spares/hop ups i linked to above.
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 18, 2015 12:37:32 GMT
Yes I was! LOL
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 18, 2015 12:54:40 GMT
Oh!
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 18, 2015 13:31:53 GMT
There are still lots of people selling parts and options for it though and at very low prices.
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 18, 2015 22:09:15 GMT
So finally?
Well a good nights racing for the TT02's. Finished all races and no problems, well a minor overheating issue quickly solved but apart from that some really good races and it seems the cars actually work quite well. Can we keep them going? Who knows. It was certainly a bonus having a no hassle meeting with cars that were working really well but I would still be reluctant to recommend them to anyone.
So what's next. Well I proved the T4 works well but then you would expect it too. So next mission is to build the TD10 and see if that is as good as it seems. At £50 I have no expectations other than it looks like a proper race chassis with all the adjustments you should need. Spares are ridiculously cheap but I am hoping it will work straight out of the box. We will see and you will see as I will be trying it on a Wednesday evening as soon as I can get it built. Watch this space as they say.
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Post by jeffsmith on Nov 22, 2015 18:27:29 GMT
Looking forward to hearing how well the td10 works considering getting one.
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 23, 2015 8:32:36 GMT
Started the build last night, got as far as building front and rear gear diffs which are fairly standard sort of items, no real problems there. Have make sure you tighten the screws evenly that join the diff halves together as otherwise they do not run true and that has an effect later on as I found. The parts all look OK, I am replacing the screws as I go but that is just me. The spur gear assembly is interesting as it uses two havles that fix either side of the spur gear and sandwich it between them. Not a quick change if you need to do it in the field so to speak as well as you have to take the centre pulley mounts off as well to get at them. Not such a good design feature but providing you do not need to change the spur in a hurry it should be OK. Mounting the spur gear assembly on to the chassis with the rear diff in place you notice the diff pulley and the spur gear overlap and there is no clearance between them. If the diff or the spur runs slightly out of true they will touch. Also there is some play in the centre pulley that allows the whole spur gear assembly to move slightly left to right and this also means it will hit the rear diff pulley. Will sort it out tonight with a few shims on the centre shaft to take up the play so should be OK. If you run a smaller spur as you will need to if running brushless, then this will not be an issue I suspect.
Will continue tonight!
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 23, 2015 13:55:14 GMT
Did a bit of shimming at lunchtime (as you do!) and just about got clearance between spur gear and diff pulley although I reckon it will still touch as the chassis flexes, might not be a problem but is not the greatest way to start the build!
Mounted the front and rear diffs now and seems fine, plenty of adjustment on the belts although the long front one I have had to set at maximum looseness to get the right tension initially and even then have not yet fitted the top deck so suppose that could change.
Shock mounts next but so far seems to go together OK. Not to X Ray standards for sure but then at the price might not expect that.
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 23, 2015 16:41:48 GMT
You know how sometimes you look something up and the information you find is so against what you actually wanted to find that you immediately wish you had not found it in the first place? well.......
just found a VERY interesting report from a guy at ADUR car club who was looking for a less expensive car for a budget class they were running and bought the Sakura Zero S which as we now know is basically the first version of the TD10. The words we do not like in this report, and he goes into great detail on building it and racing it, are "Needs this option part" and "undriveable", Apparently it is well known (obviously not by me!) that this chassis does not handle and has a severe oversteer problem. This can be alleviated by the judicious application of option parts (smacks of TT02 to me). Hmmmm I am willing to hold back on judging until I have built and used it but not sounding spectacular for sure. He was also quite scathing of the spur gear motor mount arrangement (as I have already mentioned) and suggests some extra parts to help cure the problems, however I really want to build this as it is just to see if it is any good for the price or not so that is the way it will be, at least until after my first crash!
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 23, 2015 16:58:25 GMT
Sounds like a complete contrast to the other build and review Ian.. Also doesn't sound like the car that did well a few years ago?? Starting to build Martins car tonight so I'll see if I concur with your findings to date..
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 23, 2015 18:08:16 GMT
Oh that's good Dave, will be interesting to see how they both turn out.
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 23, 2015 18:40:37 GMT
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 23, 2015 21:00:26 GMT
So after another evening in the shed we have reached the stage as shown. Got to build the shocks next but thats for another day. You can see the closeness of the spur to the diff pulley. To be honest, apart from that the build is going very well. Just goes together really quite well and certainly looks the part and nothing out of the ordinary for sure. I agree though that when the top deck is fitted the front long belt is very tight, in fact you could play a tune on it! Hopefully will ease up after a bit of use though. The shock springs are a little on the hard side but appear to be the same as Tamiya short TC springs so may be able to use the ones I have to soften the rear up a bit. Have fitted the 3 degree toe in block as you get 2 options and 3 degree is the maximimum. Apart from that its looking ok.
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 24, 2015 7:19:07 GMT
Looking good Ian, managed to put an hour in on Martins TD10 last night, got both diffs built and the spur assembly built and fitted to the chassis.. All went well with no issues so far but I need to fit a new motor in my Mi1 for tomorrow so will probably only get another hour on the TD10 tonight..
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 24, 2015 7:28:13 GMT
Just read that review Ian.. He certainly wasn't impressed! but it's in almost complete contradiction to the other review.. Lets hope the first review proves to be correct!!
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 24, 2015 20:45:54 GMT
Probably best not to read too much into it until after we have actually tested the car outselves Dave.
As far as mine is concerned, another couple of hours in the shed tonight and it is complete, ready for its first trial tomorrow.
Shocks went together OK, plastic bodies so be careful not to cross thread anything and not threaded adjustment but C clips so just need to get it right. Should be fine though as they built ok and seem quite smooth. Everything else went OK and fairly straightforward apart from two things. The plastic wheel hexes are really soft and anything more than slightly over finger tight when you put the wheel nuts on and they start to deform and bind. Do the wheels nuts up really tight and nothing moves at all, the whole transmission is locked. I was fortunate in that I managed to find on another chassis a set of alloy wheel hexes and they are fitted with no problems.
The other fairly major problem is the motor mount. It will not accept the Saturn 20 motor as it is. The centre of the mount is not big enough to take the fairly large boss on the motor so it is impossible to get both motor screws in. Some "easing" with a small needle file on the motor mount solved the problem but meant having to take it all apart to do it. check yours before you go too far!
Anyway, after all that it is finished, it runs and steers so first test tomorrow will see if it goes straight and if it handles. Looks OK and to be honest cannot see any reason why it should not be fine but until the tyres hit the carpet you never can tell. Watch this space!
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 24, 2015 20:47:28 GMT
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Nov 25, 2015 7:19:57 GMT
Well managed to get Martins car up to the stage you were at on Monday night Ian, just got shocks, bumper and body posts to go so thanks for the heads up! BTW the front belt is also tight on mine! and the 26.5mm suggested length on the steering linkages is way to short unless you like 10+ degrees of tow out! ( yes I did use the longer turn buckles)
Hopefully Martin will bring down the electrics tonight for me to finish it all off over the weekend :-)
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Post by mart59 on Nov 25, 2015 8:18:11 GMT
Bringing electrics down tonight
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Post by ianlloyd on Nov 25, 2015 8:22:18 GMT
Well managed to get Martins car up to the stage you were at on Monday night Ian, just got shocks, bumper and body posts to go so thanks for the heads up! BTW the front belt is also tight on mine! and the 26.5mm suggested length on the steering linkages is way to short unless you like 10+ degrees of tow out! ( yes I did use the longer turn buckles) Yep I found that as well but usually is not to my liking as prefer a bit of toe in myself. Was quite a way out though but easily solved. The turnbuckles themselves seem OK but will wait till after my first crash to see how soft they are!
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