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Post by keitheroonie on Jan 9, 2009 8:12:32 GMT
Lol...I was going to say 'Sorry I misunderstood' but now Im not sure i did....Its been a long week. Just to clarify that I do understand - sorry Keith ;D There will be a Seniors and Juniors class as split by the age group as previously specified but for racing (as always happens at SHMCC) the two groups will race mixed together as chosen in Heats by the race director in the first round and after that the computer sets the heats based on the drivers results (ability) from the previous rounds...is that correct? Yes And another question...Terry was very keen last year on having 10 drivers in each final (providing there is a minimum of 10 taking part) as per the BRCA - will that be the case for 2009? Col (I think I need a lie down) That's something I haven't discussed with anyone as yet, I would imagine we would try to make it 7 per heat as we did last year. I'll find out for definate and let you know though.
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 9, 2009 9:03:41 GMT
That's something I haven't discussed with anyone as yet, I would imagine we would try to make it 7 per heat as we did last year. I'll find out for definate and let you know though. Hope so, 7 is my lucky number ;D
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Post by keitheroonie on Jan 9, 2009 16:31:46 GMT
And another question...Terry was very keen last year on having 10 drivers in each final (providing there is a minimum of 10 taking part) as per the BRCA - will that be the case for 2009? I can answer that question now. the amount of cars in the qualifying heats may vary to allow for marshalling. Finals though will consist of 7 cars where possible, if for example 15 turn up to race then we will run 3 finals, 7 in the A final, 7 in the B final and 1 in the C final. We would then require some of the drivers to marshall 2 races. That must be everything now ;D ;D ;D
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 9, 2009 17:07:29 GMT
And another question...Terry was very keen last year on having 10 drivers in each final (providing there is a minimum of 10 taking part) as per the BRCA - will that be the case for 2009? I can answer that question now. the amount of cars in the qualifying heats may vary to allow for marshalling. Finals though will consist of 7 cars where possible, if for example 15 turn up to race then we will run 3 finals, 7 in the A final, 7 in the B final and 1 in the C final. We would then require some of the drivers to marshall 2 races. That must be everything now ;D ;D ;D A joke yes? (2nd para)
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Post by keitheroonie on Jan 9, 2009 18:00:25 GMT
I can answer that question now. the amount of cars in the qualifying heats may vary to allow for marshalling. Finals though will consist of 7 cars where possible, if for example 15 turn up to race then we will run 3 finals, 7 in the A final, 7 in the B final and 1 in the C final. We would then require some of the drivers to marshall 2 races. That must be everything now ;D ;D ;D A joke yes? (2nd para) I never joke about such things ;D All championships run to similar rules, the SLCC for example has 10 cars per final. This is necessary to bring consistancy to the series. If for example, the first round has 7 cars in a final and I qualify 6th in the A final, then go on to take 4th place overall in the finals, I take home 97 points then in round 2, due to numbers we have 5 cars in a final and I again qualify 6th overall, this puts me on pole in the B final where I can only take home a maximum of 95 points.
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Post by lesbaldry on Jan 9, 2009 19:15:14 GMT
I never joke about such things ;D All championships run to similar rules, the SLCC for example has 10 cars per final. This is necessary to bring consistancy to the series. If for example, the first round has 7 cars in a final and I qualify 6th in the A final, then go on to take 4th place overall in the finals, I take home 97 points then in round 2, due to numbers we have 5 cars in a final and I again qualify 6th overall, this puts me on pole in the B final where I can only take home a maximum of 95 points. So basicaly Keith what you are saying is ...not much has changed??...whats all the unnecessary fuss about then
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 9, 2009 20:37:31 GMT
I never joke about such things ;D All championships run to similar rules, the SLCC for example has 10 cars per final. This is necessary to bring consistancy to the series. If for example, the first round has 7 cars in a final and I qualify 6th in the A final, then go on to take 4th place overall in the finals, I take home 97 points then in round 2, due to numbers we have 5 cars in a final and I again qualify 6th overall, this puts me on pole in the B final where I can only take home a maximum of 95 points. So basicaly Keith what you are saying is ...not much has changed??...whats all the unnecessary fuss about then I dont see how you can compare. The RRC is a club championship and the STCC is and possibly the SLCC is, oversubscribed, guaranteeing a race. So I turn up up for club championship, pay for my petrol, spend all that time, fork a £5 or whatever and dont get a race. Wow that is goining to motivate me to stay with club
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 9, 2009 20:42:28 GMT
I never joke about such things ;D All championships run to similar rules, the SLCC for example has 10 cars per final. This is necessary to bring consistancy to the series. If for example, the first round has 7 cars in a final and I qualify 6th in the A final, then go on to take 4th place overall in the finals, I take home 97 points then in round 2, due to numbers we have 5 cars in a final and I again qualify 6th overall, this puts me on pole in the B final where I can only take home a maximum of 95 points. So basicaly Keith what you are saying is ...not much has changed??...whats all the unnecessary fuss about then ..., and sorry your logic is totally flawed. Why on earth would you reduce finals of 7 down to 5. If 8 turned up rather than 15, you would have one final of 7 and one final of 1 - which is ridicululous but its your logic not mine
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Post by saintroeer on Jan 9, 2009 21:18:08 GMT
you have a point pete, but maybe the best way to think about it is that these rules only apply to 'trophy meetings', as which the slcc, stcc and the reality cup apply. the rule is only to ensure that everyone gets a fair shot in each round and knows what to do in order to achieve it, this was discussed last year as there seemed to be some confusion as to how the meetings should be set out(ie number of racers per heat/final) each time.
the club championships, although resulting in an overall championship trophy, are more in order to have fun each week, which can have a big variety in the numbers of racers each time, and as you said if we did play to a strict 7 car finals every week, all to frequently that would mean one person had to race on there own, it wouldnt encourage people to come back would it.
im sure you will find that the 'young guns' will be,and has been run to 10 car finals meaning if there is 21 racers there would be 10-10-1 final structure
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Post by mattsedgley on Jan 9, 2009 22:13:19 GMT
Can I suggest some calm from members please.
Further can I remind forum users that the forum is open for all the internet to see.
Perhaps some of the issues raised in this post would be better discussed Via PM, or in person.
The Reality Racing Cup rules are set by Reality Racing, facilitated by the committee and members of South Hants Model Car Club.
Matt
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Post by keitheroonie on Jan 10, 2009 2:29:33 GMT
I dont see how you can compare. The RRC is a club championship and the STCC is and possibly the SLCC is, oversubscribed, guaranteeing a race. So I turn up up for club championship, pay for my petrol, spend all that time, fork a £5 or whatever and dont get a race. Wow that is goining to motivate me to stay with club ..., and sorry your logic is totally flawed. Why on earth would you reduce finals of 7 down to 5. If 8 turned up rather than 15, you would have one final of 7 and one final of 1 - which is ridicululous but its your logic not mine A little bit harsh with your posts but I feel they still needs answering My logic is based around the numbers of racers that turn up to Reality Racing cup championship days. Here are some actual figures: In 2007 the least amount of people who turned up to race at any round was 15, the most being 26, the average across all 6 rounds was approx. 22. Only 2 rounds had less than 20 entries In 2008 the lowest number who turned up to race was 14, the most being 24, the average across all 6 rounds was approx. 21. Only 1 round had less than 20 entries I feel, as does the man who sets the rules, that these are strong enough numbers of entries to set the finals at 7 cars. If however in the extreme case of only 8 entries, as a club we would as always cater for the drivers who had made the effort to turn up, and run the meeting based on a vote from those drivers (or pit Dads). We have never and would never cancel a meeting if enough drivers turned up.
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 10, 2009 10:33:53 GMT
Keith I do not have any issue with what number is selected for finals; anything up to 10 is fine with me. BUT your 2 posts made it clear that depending on total numbers, the numbers for the finals might vary - again that makes perfect sense to me. BUT what I have real difficulty with is selecting a number that means one club member ends up racing on his own; ie get doesnt get a race. If you are going to to vary the numbers from 7 according to turn out (no problem with that), why on earth not choose on that particular day to race 6,6,3 rather than 7,7,1
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 10, 2009 10:47:52 GMT
you have a point pete, but maybe the best way to think about it is that these rules only apply to 'trophy meetings', as which the slcc, stcc and the reality cup apply. the rule is only to ensure that everyone gets a fair shot in each round and knows what to do in order to achieve it, this was discussed last year as there seemed to be some confusion as to how the meetings should be set out(ie number of racers per heat/final) each time. the club championships, although resulting in an overall championship trophy, are more in order to have fun each week, which can have a big variety in the numbers of racers each time, and as you said if we did play to a strict 7 car finals every week, all to frequently that would mean one person had to race on there own, it wouldnt encourage people to come back would it. im sure you will find that the 'young guns' will be,and has been run to 10 car finals meaning if there is 21 racers there would be 10-10-1 final structure Adam don't want to bang on about this but a couple of points I want to stress. I didnt suggest that club was "suggesting" that club meetings should be set at 7 too; neither is it. This only relates to RRC - which in context is a prestigious meeting for club members. I personally don't think you can make a comparison to the SLCC, STCC or as you have added the BRCA. There are differences such as numbers of entrants being declared in advance. But that is really a red herring anyway. My overarching points were, and I hope I have made it clearer in my new post to Keith. Firstly why disadvantage a club member and if we ARE going to vary numbers as necessary, why on earth do it in a way that disadvantages a club member. Matt if I am the only member that has a concern about another member being disadvantaged by this then so be it - but it is not something to be relegated to a PM, it is a club issue even if I am in the minority.
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Post by keitheroonie on Jan 10, 2009 12:11:03 GMT
Keith I do not have any issue with what number is selected for finals; anything up to 10 is fine with me. BUT your 2 posts made it clear that depending on total numbers, the numbers for the finals might vary - again that makes perfect sense to me. BUT what I have real difficulty with is selecting a number that means one club member ends up racing on his own; ie get doesnt get a race. If you are going to to vary the numbers from 7 according to turn out (no problem with that), why on earth not choose on that particular day to race 6,6,3 rather than 7,7,1 The Reality Racing Cup is a championship, so I really don't understand why it can't be compared to the SLCC, STCC etc. A championship needs to be made fair to everyone, I have already explained a cenario that would disadvantage a racer if we had varying finals numbers, in a previous post. I thought My posts had made it clear that final numbers would not vary from 7, unless in never before seen, extreme circumstances. What you seem to be requesting would only cater for the one driver who happened to come last and would disadvantage a considerable proportion of the remaining drivers If 15 drivers turn up to race and under your rules we change from 7-7-1 to 6-6-3, 1 driver looses his place in the A final and 2 drivers loose their places in the B final, the driver who then qualified 6th overall can now finish with a minimum of 95 points and a maximum of 100, whereas the driver who qualified 7th could finish with a minimum of 89 points and a maximum of 94. Every championship has to run to a set of rules, these are simply the rules of the Reality Racing Cup.
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 10, 2009 13:03:31 GMT
Fine Keith we agree to differ. As a postscript you cannot compare to STCC because you know before you go there that there will be n finals of 10 people with reserves waiting in the wings. The chances of ending up a session with n*10 and 1*1 are virtually zero - so you know in advance you are not wasting your weekend
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Post by keitheroonie on Jan 10, 2009 13:56:15 GMT
Fine Keith we agree to differ. As a postscript you cannot compare to STCC because you know before you go there that there will be n finals of 10 people with reserves waiting in the wings. The chances of ending up a session with n*10 and 1*1 are virtually zero - so you know in advance you are not wasting your weekend That's absolutely not the case for the SLCC though, Ollie raced in a 2 car final at West London and Mod had only 1 driver at Yateley. I'm affraid you're also wrong about the STCC, in 2007 2 rounds had a single driver in a 27t final, www.clubmanscup.co.uk/sys/index.php?option=com_wrapper&Itemid=183 (round 6+7 D final) In 2008 at least 2 finals had 1 driver. As for waisting your weekend! as I've already explained that if enough turn up a meeting will be run, you must be referring to the single racer not enjoying himself. Why not? he's had fun mixing with other cars in the heats, then runs a final where he's guaranteed a 1st place trophy, bearing in mind for the driver to come last in qualifying, he must be a very new or very young driver, therefore probably more than happy to run round the track practicing, with a marshal at every corner to help him and a trophy at the end of it.
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Post by Reality Racer on Jan 10, 2009 16:29:42 GMT
Hi all I have been watching this thread with interest and I feel it’s time I commented. I have organised many championships in the past and as far back as when lap timing was done with a pen and paper. Being the Reality Racing Cup I set the rules with agreement of the SHMCC committee. If anyone has any further questions with regard to this championship please e-mail me terry@realityracing.info and I will try to help the best I can. Terry
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Post by Reuben on Jan 10, 2009 19:29:00 GMT
Can I just clear something up for myself...
7 car finals, but Qualifiers will be split as appropriate? or will qualy's be 7 car split?
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Post by keitheroonie on Jan 10, 2009 19:43:21 GMT
I have answered this already Reubes (3rd post on this page) the amount of cars in the qualifying heats may vary to allow for marshalling.
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Post by Reuben on Jan 10, 2009 22:35:02 GMT
excellent, thought I read it somewhere
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 5, 2009 12:24:23 GMT
Are there separate trophies for senior and junior classes at the races?
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Post by Robin Howett on Mar 5, 2009 13:45:38 GMT
Hi Pete, No separate trophies at the races for senior and junior classes. RRC a fun club trophy day, please try and take it as that.
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 5, 2009 19:37:42 GMT
Guess I am confused Rob, what trophies are being awarded? - Ross has several 2nd and 3rd trophies and they sure weren't for coming 2nd or 3rd in stock class overall
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Post by Simon Crabb on Mar 5, 2009 19:39:25 GMT
I guess they'd be for whatever final he was in?
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 5, 2009 19:43:42 GMT
Sorry Rob, read the info again and it is clear! But what is the championship position?
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Post by mattsedgley on Mar 5, 2009 20:22:50 GMT
just to clarify
There will be trophies for 1st 2nd 3rd in each final; stock, prostock and the new Ansmann class...
as normal there will be an end of competition award with positions for championships in each class.
I'll have to check the notes from our original meeting about a junior championship...I'm almost sure there is one, however we've got plenty of time to worry about that one! let's get over the weather issue first!
matt
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