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Post by otr on Mar 23, 2009 15:36:46 GMT
You have to think the 17.5 class at SLCC is going to be oh so tight. Should be a really good series this year I would certainly not place bets on who ws going to win.
Will be stripping and re-setting the car this week just hope I find something!
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Post by Simon Crabb on Mar 23, 2009 20:22:35 GMT
The main thing you'll find Ian is that it's got purple bits.
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 24, 2009 7:58:59 GMT
Sorry this may be on the wrong thread but I've just been looking at some PB's in 17.5,they are bloody quick! considering most of them have been set in the "cooler low grip" days. 19 laps was quite a bench mark a while ago with more powerfull motors (19t) Whats changed? better chassis,better skills,better understanding of set up,easier to drive motors with less maintenance and good cells (Lipos) ?...one things for sure,my pre race day prep has reduced dramatically the past 18 months ...those PB's for the clubs newer drivers may have not been posible with the old cells/motors.?
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Post by otr on Mar 24, 2009 9:43:19 GMT
You know Simon you were right! There were a fair few purple bits there last night. Amazing! Did not find anything wrong though which is worrying but there you go.
Les I know you are right about the lap times etc and I don't believe it is any one thing to be honest. The cars are certainly generating more grip these days, the drivers are better able to use that extra grip and the combination of better motors and batteries are all adding up to better lap times overall.
The quality of driver is also improving or at least those drivers are improving and again I think that has a certain amount to do with better and more consistent cars and equipment. Not taking anything away from the improved skills of those drivers of course but all those improvements in equipment add up.
I think it is a good thing as well. It's always good to see young drivers doing well and enjoying themselves. It's all about having fun and the last few years have seen some dramatic improvements in equipment that are allowing competitive racing and a huge amount of the FUN factor to remain. In particular the advent of brushless and lipo which has changed our racing significantly. I also see a much greater understanding of car preparation in people these days which also adds to more competitive times and more interest.
Overall I hope the trend continues. Some of us may be reaching the end of our competitive racing but we still get enjoyment from what we do and seeing others come through to fill the places above us.
It does make you wonder where we will be this time next year or the year after.
When I started at Bashley it was 17 laps that every one aimed for as the top. Now a 17 lapper will only get you in the B or even the C final and you need to be pushing 20 laps to be top of A. At least in stock. Amazing stuff really.
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Post by Reuben on Mar 24, 2009 10:07:00 GMT
well from a new drivers point of view... I wouldnlt be doing this if i had to skim and maintain cells every week as I just wouldnt have time... so there would be a lot of loss speed there. plus 30 minutes between marshalling and racing gives you two options.... adjust some setup or play with motor to maintain the speed (plus the loss of 5 minutes having to discharge and put new cells into the car. now days its 30 minutes to watch the same lipo charge, talk about brushless motors, enjoy the sun or adjust some setup. so more time for setup and enjoying yourself. But a key part to this Setup stuff is knowing what you are doing - i still dont understand a lot of the stuff myself. But I have learnt what works and what doesn't from you guys, listening in and asking questions to which you have all been happy to answer. So yes the 19-20 lap target is greater due to the new technology and the extra time to make the car faster (more corners that straights on a track) But the vast improvement in lap times from 12 laps at 21 seconds a lap to 19 laps at 15.9 seconds a lap is more down to the knowledge that has been shared and the encouragement from the entire club and its members! So really its your fault that we are quick now thanks
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Post by otr on Mar 24, 2009 10:18:15 GMT
Part of the fun is being able to pass on what little knowledge we have picked up over the years and seeing that knowledge improve other peoples racing and enjoyment.
The fact that you then go out and beat us is just typical of youth today. No respect!!!
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 24, 2009 11:36:43 GMT
Part of the fun is being able to pass on what little knowledge we have picked up over the years and seeing that knowledge improve other peoples racing and enjoyment. The fact that you then go out and beat us is just typical of youth today. No respect!!! Many people have left racing in the past through either "whos got the best cells and motors" or lack of shared knowlage of set up..as Ian said some of us may be near the end of our "top'ish level"compedative racing "but" as long as we enjoy it !!..personaly I get just as much of a kick out of seeing a new driver or old do well through some shared info as I do out of beating my own PB or making A finals at the SLCC!!
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 24, 2009 12:21:22 GMT
All of the comments made, plus There doesn’t seem to be any doubt in Craig’s mind, or mine as a spectator, that that the 17.5s , now geared optimally for Bashley, are faster in raw terms than 27T. Yes the very few, like Les might be able to turn out a competitive 27T Also certainly our experience with brushed is that you get you LAP PB in the early laps whilst our almost non-existent experience with brushless suggests it is as fast at the end as it is at the start, ie the raw speed advantage is experienced for the entire race. I wonder also if the mainstream cars are now easier to setup? It is certainly the case with Xray, where one of the stated design briefs for the 008 was to make the setup sweet spot window much wider than experienced with the T2 007 and 006, which they achieved in spades And the history of human endeavour shows us that consistently homo sapien goes further jumps higher runs faster
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 25, 2009 7:47:59 GMT
One thing that has made a big difference for motor power between BR/Nicads and BL Pete is the consistent power delivery of Lipo's and the punch of a set of new matched "team" Nicad's week in week out....Its nice to see that BL and Lipo's now level the playing field some what for us all...New racers may not understand how hard it was years ago to try a match a driver with the knowledge of motor tuning or someone that had access to team cells/motors or could afford new cells every month or so!!
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