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Post by yellowshark on Jan 30, 2012 15:11:08 GMT
Hi I have quickly skimmed through quite a lot of posts arriving in the past 24 hours - skimming is dangerous because you miss things but I have a T3 '12 to sort out!!.
Classes and speedos were referred to in the posts. Specifically - as agreeed at the AGM, and yes if this is not published then it needs to be quickly, looking at the posts.
1. We no longer have a Pro-Eco class; we have a Stcok class which allows 17.5 non timing TCs and what was the Pro-Eco class. I am guessing a bit here, but they both carry forward their rules from last year; except it was seciffically agreed, at least for the 2012 season, that 17.5 could run old non timing ESCs,( as Les says to let us oldies reuse kit we already have) eg ISTC. If during the season it became apparant that this gave a substantial, unacceptable advantage, than it would be reviwed in the light of experience.
HTH
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 30, 2012 16:17:37 GMT
...and (not sure of the detail) if I recall correctly the 15T was discussed and I think it was agreed that this should be tested and the rules modified to include it if results were favourable; need someone to confirm this is right or wrong!!
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Post by miffed on Jan 30, 2012 17:12:04 GMT
Hi Pete you may have miss read my post? my fault it should have read Brushed I was refereing to the 15t (post now modded) As far as 17.5 go's I feel it would pay for most clubs to stick to the BRCA's Blinky list for both motor and ESC? with perhaps the exception of the 1st gen ISTC to maybe keep some members happy? this speedo's setting can be "zero'ed" but the speedo will not flash (blinky) for ease of scrutineering,hence why its not listed! But TBH I have tested this speedo with my listed Speed Passion Cirtix (£22 imported) and found it to be no faster even with the punch max'ed out!! in fact the Cirtix is smoother with better brakes than the £180 ISTC.....we once paid HOW MUCH  ...lol HTH  Just for a bit of fun I ran one of my old competition 27t's against the clock to compare lap times with the 15t....It was no faster,it was slightly smoother with little better brakes due to the stronger Magnets....Here Ya go Pete you could dust off a couple of "engines" and dig out the old lathe...But you had better ask permission to run it first  |
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 30, 2012 18:18:12 GMT
That's interesting Les. Let's see; now that I am retired do I spend the summer cutting the lawn or fettling 27t motors? LOL no contest ;D
Re ISTC - it was probably me skimming as much as anything else - and I was referring to our 17.5 rules more than anything. I wasn't aware you could turn the "punch" off on the ISTC but I have turned the motor timing down to minimum to try and ensure a fair playing field.
Something I will monitor once the summer season gets going.
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Post by miffed on Jan 30, 2012 19:36:22 GMT
That's interesting Les. Let's see; now that I am retired do I spend the summer cutting the lawn or fettling 27t motors? LOL no contest ;D Re ISTC - it was probably me skimming as much as anything else - and I was referring to our 17.5 rules more than anything. I wasn't aware you could turn the "punch" off on the ISTC but I have turned the motor timing down to minimum to try and ensure a fair playing field. Something I will monitor once the summer season gets going. Hi chap its all down to what the club allows you to run..at the mo I'm not sure what they are up too,nore do they by the looks of things?...All I'm trying to do is suggest things to get people back to the track but I feel my experience has fallen on deaf or stubborn ears??...and that's a shame!as Eco has taken off else where!! Yep IMO after testing the ISTC is fine and has no advantage,you would be surprised how fast a well geared 15t brushed can be!! as for tuning a brushless motors timing to suit the ISTC or any blinky ESC there is a point where timing just adds heat rather then any extra punch or speed so TBH a listed ESC and even a fixed timing Brushless motor is basically just as good! |
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Post by wessex88 on Jan 30, 2012 21:17:40 GMT
Just to clear a few things up.SHMCC stock class: up to 15t sealed can,
17.5 blinky brushless,27t stock rebuildable motor(engine?) with i believe no limit on speedo price.This was as voted on at the agm.We do not have a control tyre.Any 10th scale touring car rubber tyre.
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Post by Reuben on Jan 30, 2012 22:11:01 GMT
Yes the classes that were voted in at the AGM by the attending members were:
Eco (stays as it currently is) £150 RTR car
Stock:
15t Sealed Can / 27t Brushed limit
17.5 Blinky / no advanced on the fly timing
Open TC:
Whatever you feel brave enough or want to run as long as its TC, Electric and 1/10th.
2 notes:
1. With the unknown stock and recent reliability issues of the 21t ansman motors and that the early testing shows the 15t firebolt to be a very robust motor, We (Me, Dave and Ian L at the track one sunday) discussed about including this as the Eco class motor too - giving the motors a longer life span for the newby
2. with 17.5 blinky, at the AGM it was decided that we would allow original generation ESC's like the ISTC to be included as long as they does not appear an obvious difference in speed.
lastly, last time I was at bashley with a few others I tried some boost software with ALL the timing turned off and the motor at zero, and this was obviously quicker than jason's 17.5 blinky ESC software. Now you would think that turning ALL the timing off of a boost software would mean no timing... but this did not appear to be the case. So there will be teething issues and I would advise that the exception ESC's to the blinky rule, need to be original gen ESCs. Eg ISTC, Novak GTB, Orion Vortex
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...lol 
