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Post by keitheroonie on Apr 19, 2009 21:34:53 GMT
Well here endeth the first round of the SLCC. Hmmmmm!!!! I really don't mean to offend anyone with this comment but I must say, I do hope the other rounds will be a little different. I'm very confused over the disqualification and dismissal of one of our best drivers Matt Haskell (who had already had to strip his motor to prove it was legal ), I saw the incident between him and Nigel Moss, a racing incident that needed nothing more said as far as I'm concerned. I don't know if you'll all agree with me but the way I see it is; it's supposed to be a club championship and an incident like that at club level would be laughed about, not taken to the point where the fastest 17.5 driver of the day is asked to leave, that's just nuts!!!!!!! If I didn't know better I'd swear that was a tactical decision Come on people this is meant to be fun, we're only playing with toy cars after all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Gripe over let's get back to having a giggle ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Kev on Apr 19, 2009 22:17:40 GMT
Let’s not forget Keith Matt was under attack all day, continual bitching then as you said accused of cheating that resulted in his motor being stripped down. Then have race director swear at him. Then asked to leave. All because he was going to take the win. And he never retaliated. Showing how professional SHMCC drivers are Was looking like a South Hants Win in 17.5 A and B final. Don’t know what the result was but if it was a Aldershot win then i don’t think it’s one they can hold their head up and say “won far and square” . I for one will be watching their driving very carefully over the rest of the series and i hope race officials will be. Couldn’t agree more about no further SLCC at Aldershot I certainly wouldn’t attend.
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Post by Robin Howett on Apr 19, 2009 22:21:11 GMT
The SLCC stock class...I think that all got way out of hand, and what was a racing incident should have been left at that.
For those that didn't know Matt had his motor stripped and checked over (all ok and was race legal) but then had his first final result suspended by the race director for a racing incident.
I've no idea what was said afterwards in the pits that resulted in Matt being told to leave, but that does appear to be a very harsh penalty.
I can only hope that Matt and Kev come back to SHMCC for some friendly club racing.
Edit, Indeed Kev, said race director then went on to take the win and FTD........
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 19, 2009 23:20:45 GMT
Well unsurprisingly I do not agree with everything Keith said, BUT, if I were to list my top ten racers I have met, in terms of politeness on and off the track, and various other related attributes then Matt would be right up there. What happened was appalling and given who it happened to, it was double appalling and I hope everyone has the b*lls to put their money where their mouth is and boycott Aldershot next year should they unfortunately hold another round. I for one won't be going there again out of principle and in support of Matt. Which is real shame because it is a great track. I do hope Matt you will not let it get you down and that you will feel motivated to continue the series with us this and get yourself a championship cup. Salvaging some positive stuff, a great start – well done Ian!!!!!!! A really enjoyable weekend, until later in the afternoon when I found out what had happened, and good to see so many club members mixing it with the best of them. And of course yet again it proved just what a well engineered car the XRAY is eh Les ;D
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Post by mark robinson on Apr 20, 2009 6:26:39 GMT
I never saw the racing incident that you speak of, but I am disapointed with the officials at Aldershot to. One of my fellow club drivers was sat on the grid waiting for the start of his final when someone doing an illegal hot lap hit him and he was unable to complete any of his finals. Of course the other driver went on to win the second final, when in my eyes I feel his punisment should has been no further part in the meeting.
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 20, 2009 6:52:58 GMT
A touch of sour grapes in my book...Matt is one hell of a stock driver and has all ways been a very fair racer on the track and fun to be around off it...Kev,Matt I realy hope this stupidity on the part of Aldershot will not stop the pair of you racing this season,looking forward to seeing you both at Cotswolds!!!!!
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Post by oldtimeracer on Apr 20, 2009 7:48:16 GMT
OK for what it's worth.
I was standing next to the Aldershot people on the rostrum in the race after which Matt was asked to have his motor checked. There was a lot of moaning that he was too fast and no way ws he running a 17.5. At the time I thought it was just sour grapes that those people were just getting beaten on their own track and did not like it. The resulting inquest and subsequent sending home was, in my opinion, completely out of order. If I complained every time someone was faster than me I would have no one else to race against.
This for me has spoiled what in effect was a d**n good meeting.
I would say I am not going back to Aldershot but I know it was just a minority of the people there who were being daft and would not like to tarnish all the Aldershot guys with the same brush as most of them are pretty darned good. They do need to have "words" with those people though and sort it out.
Good luck Matt, we all know it was OK and you did nothing wrong. Don't let a minority spoil it for you mate.
By the way, if you beat me again I am going to complain....
Ian Lloyd
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 20, 2009 8:02:52 GMT
it was just a minority of the people there who were being daft and would not like to tarnish all the Aldershot guys with the same brush as most of them are pretty darned good. Ian Lloyd Agree entirely Ian. Craig had some great fair racing and a nice chat in the qualies with an Aldershot guy and take Glen, a guy at the very top of his sport but approachable, happy to chat and willing to help anyone with advice on setup etc. Unfortunately though that is of little consolation to Matt who probably got home last night and thought what is the point, let's hope he thinks there is one.
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 20, 2009 8:03:08 GMT
JUST!!! for the benefit of any any outsiders who may be interseted...Matt Haskell was running third fastest after the first round behind me and the "other " Aldershot Driver,so he took a hell of a chance with gearing to try and get TQ...this he told me prior to the run.. " this IS!! the only reason he was faster..Fact
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Post by oldtimeracer on Apr 20, 2009 8:11:37 GMT
Yep, you are right Les.
As far as the "racing incident" is concerned I admit to not actually seeing it so cannot comment. However I do know there were a few of those indeed in the last final I was party to one, not my fault but it ruined my race. I spoke to the guy involved in my incident and we just had a laugh about it. Just one of those things, no malice intended and no repurcussions. This is supposed to be fun after all and these things will happen to the best of us.
At the end of the day it is grown men playing with toy cars. Some people just need to be reminded of that occasionally I feel.
By the way, what is the hassle about rotors? I can see nothing on the SLCC rules that says you are limited to a certain size? Just any commercially available motor? Am I missing something here?
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Post by Matt Haskell on Apr 20, 2009 9:04:30 GMT
hi guys, First of all, thankyou all for your kind words of support. The events that took place at Aldershot this weekend took me by complete surprise! After no racing for 5/6 months, 17.5 was supposed to be a way for me making a decision to walk away from the hobby, time and finances were taking a strain. However, on the Saturday i walked away looking forward to sundays racing. The 17.5s were all very close and it looked it was going to be fun. Sunday, started great, i was competitive! But that was my downfall, under no circumstance was my name going to get on that 1st place trophy, the powers that be ensured that! After being accused of cheating (only to be proved otherwise), being constantly jibbed at on the rostrum, being under investigation for a racing incident and being sworn at by the race director, instead of an apolgy i was ejected from the track. The reason? "....beacuse i said so!" was the response This was very embarrassing to say the very least. However, the conduct shown by the 2 officials will have been far more embarrasing for them i feel! Also kev had to leave the track after winning his final, as we had shared a lift........sorry mate As for a boycott of Aldershot........well, 2 individuals dont make a club. The other drivers (on and off the track) and the track itself do not deserve to be tarred with the same brush in my opinion. A change of mangement would definately see me back! In general, Aldershot is a great venue (obviously not as good as SHMCC ) My first reaction was to pack it in, whats the point etc went through my head. After a couple of hours thought, i decided that i will push on to try for the trophy, 1 race meeting from 6 cannot decide a championship. Well done to all those representing SHMCC, great effort indeed. Big well done to the Newtonator, he put up with all kinds of rubbish throughout the day, and handled himself with composure under difficult circumstances. Cheers mate. Again, thanks for your words of encouragement guys, and roll on the cotswolds. Matt
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Post by oldtimeracer on Apr 20, 2009 9:12:33 GMT
Good on you Matt. Good attitude mate.
Look forward to seeing you at the next round.
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Post by samuraiblade on Apr 20, 2009 9:32:53 GMT
when you say the race director swore at you , was it unprovoked? , if you didnt instigate that , and there were witnesses , contact the brca about it , he can be penalized for it big time afaik , in any controlled offical events ive been at , as an offical body , you cant act irresponsible or use harsh language of any kind.
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Post by keitheroonie on Apr 20, 2009 9:35:26 GMT
The words of a true sportsman Matt. See you at the Cotswolds bud. Great skills by the way, kickin his ar$e at his home track, I hear he's been practicing for weeks with his 17.5 there too.
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 20, 2009 9:38:13 GMT
Spot on Matt/kev..I have raced with you both for a few years now and you both have my respect and support,this incident as we can all clearly see was unfortunate and very unnecessary. Any accusation of cheating in my book can tarnish any racer..in the future it would be nice to see something like this implemented Any accusation should be put in writing along with a fee of say £20 to the race director Should the accusation be found to be true the offender should be banned from that meeting and given a formal warning with a further offence giving a total ban,this to be made public too!..the accuser will then be refunded his/her £20. Should the accusation be unfounded ,the so called offender should receive an apology ,this must be made public too!and receive the deposited £20 for the embarrassment,stress and shear bloody inconvenience
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 20, 2009 9:56:27 GMT
That's great news Matt; try and get down to the Reality Cup so we can all give you a big hug ;D
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Post by TryHard on Apr 20, 2009 10:19:51 GMT
Just out of interest.. has anyone seen this months Circuit chatter? Have a look at page 7, about the incident book... me thinks what happened to Matt would be a good one to go into the SHMCC one! Regards Ed
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Post by Jazzler on Apr 20, 2009 11:22:03 GMT
I'm intrigued, anyone going to mention what the 'Incident' was exactly?
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Post by Reuben on Apr 20, 2009 11:28:13 GMT
I don't know what it was, I was racing behind the pack that final. But Matts speed was impressive - a very hard person to race against. would have been unstoppable if it was any other track.
Did Rc-lazy get any footage?
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Post by Simon Crabb on Apr 20, 2009 11:50:49 GMT
I didn't get anyone to film that final, only leg 2.
I don't know what the on-track incident was with Matt and Nigel, I was too busy trying to squeeze 4 cars into one chicane for 4th place, and coming off worse on my roof!
It's only toy cars folks, not worth falling out about.
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 20, 2009 12:06:50 GMT
I have just spoke to Matt and heard it from the "horses mouth"...unbelievable and well out of order!!!...
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Post by samuraiblade on Apr 20, 2009 12:19:15 GMT
tbh you sound like a nice guy , will meet you soon no doubt , (if i havent already?) , me personally if one of those officals had sworn at me , my temper would of got the better of me and he'd be on his bottom pretty d**n quick smart . wrong solution to deal with it but hey ho thats me , as quite rightly pointed out its only a bit of fun tbh. and some little trumped up official shouldnt be in a position to ruin it tbh.
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 20, 2009 12:21:36 GMT
Simon, it doesn't matter whether you are playing Scrabble or racing a F1 car if someone seriously accuses you of being a cheat that is a personal insult; in this case to Matt and by inference an insult to our club and members for letting "cheats" race with and for us.
Les is spot on when he talks about an apology when the accusation is proven to be false. In other circumstances, because he has too much on his plate, I think our Chairman should be writing to his opposite number requesting a public apology on Racechat and asking for an explanation as to why Matt was asked to leave the circuit.
It is not a matter to be taken lightly and on a personal note how much money did poor Matt fork out for the weekend only to have it ruined through no fault of his own?
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Post by samuraiblade on Apr 20, 2009 12:47:03 GMT
+1 to that
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Post by keitheroonie on Apr 20, 2009 12:50:35 GMT
Simon, it doesn't matter whether you are playing Scrabble or racing a F1 car if someone seriously accuses you of being a cheat that is a personal insult; in this case to Matt and by inference an insult to our club and members for letting "cheats" race with and for us. Les is spot on when he talks about an apology when the accusation is proven to be false. In other circumstances, because he has too much on his plate, I think our Chairman should be writing to his opposite number requesting a public apology on Racechat and asking for an explanation as to why Matt was asked to leave the circuit. It is not a matter to be taken lightly and on a personal note how much money did poor Matt fork out for the weekend only to have it ruined through no fault of his own? I already have and I'm waiting for a response, I've also posted on their forum, www.aldershotmodelcarclub.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=740
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Post by samuraiblade on Apr 20, 2009 12:52:31 GMT
aye i tryed to read that , need activated account for it
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Post by oldtimeracer on Apr 20, 2009 12:58:01 GMT
I think enough has been said about this now. It is now down to the people concerned to sort out a suitable finalisation of this.
We do not want to go on about it forever nor do we need to have this hanging over the rest of the series.
Those involved need to have the gumption and character to be honest about it and do whatever is necessary. The last thing we want is politics getting in the way of good racing.
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Post by saintroeer on Apr 20, 2009 13:44:21 GMT
well i am prepared to say what i saw(what im hoping this was the 'incident')
after the aldershot racer make a mistake come round the corner coming under the rostrum, matt had the speed and racing line going into the chicane, the aldershot driver refused to give up the corner and both cars made side to side contact resulting in the aldershots driver being knocked off the track. to make things worse for the situation, the guy who was commenting on the race(who i understand was the race director) stated that matt had the racing line and that the aldershot driver was silly not to give up the corner!
i dont know what was said so will not comment, but i was there when the motor was stripped, at matts request to ensure no impropriety at all, and it was perfectly legal. you beat him on the track matt fair and square, i that i will stand by!
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 20, 2009 13:46:19 GMT
Sorry Ian I agree but....Word on the street is that the Aldershot members who were involved will not be compeeting in the SLCC due to the poor driving standards...Hmmm I must have missed somthing somewhere I was compeeting in the same quallies and finals...Blimey If I threw my dummy in the dirt every time I had a racing kiss Id give up...how childish!!!!
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Post by oldtimeracer on Apr 20, 2009 13:53:21 GMT
Oh Les you must be joking!!!! I was in all the same races as they were, qualifying and finals. OK there were a few racing incidents but bad driving? Blimey! No way.
Ask Reuben. He and I spent most of one race nose to tail, passing back markers as well and only once came together (obviously not my fault) ;D. Just really good racing.
Maybe we should have a whip round for some new glasses for them!!!!
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