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Post by Reuben on Apr 27, 2009 21:12:40 GMT
So from the following speedo's Who has experience with each? or know people who use them and what they think and how do they compare?
GM Racing Genius 120
Team Wave RB-50
Nosram Pearl
Nosram Stock Spec
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 27, 2009 21:45:28 GMT
Better still, get a Nosram ISTC, advance the timing and take it round Aldershot for a pure adrenalin rush, more like 20 feet in the last 25; only lasts for 12 laps though ;D
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Post by TryHard on Apr 28, 2009 10:30:29 GMT
I be able to give you some feedback from one on the list in a while... not letting on for the moment though  For your racing Reubes, I would probably rule out the Pearl, as I doubt you'll be doing mod anytime soon. The GM is good beacuse it's pretty programable, and seems to be getting good reviews... haven't seen one on track yet though. As for the team wave, hearing good things about that as well. The Stock Specs seem to be the speedo of the moment for stock however... but does that mean they are better, or just more popular?? Ed |
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 28, 2009 11:25:45 GMT
I be able to give you some feedback from one on the list in a while... not letting on for the moment though The Stock Specs seem to be the speedo of the moment for stock however... but does that mean they are better, or just more popular?? Ed Blimey not letting on...cor must be something very secretive  ...I cant wait  Yawn!! Stock speck Nosram...I would expect sensible racers go with known trusted makes with a good repair/return service too  Reubs raced Mod last weekend"done well too"...Stock spec Nosram has settings for mod if req'ed and might be the best all rounder if stocks your most favored class? ? |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 28, 2009 12:06:35 GMT
To make matters even more complicated Les, as Mirage have gone on record to point out, the Pearl has stock profiles too |
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Post by Reuben on Apr 28, 2009 13:03:12 GMT
indeed it mentions that its a great speedo for ALL classes...but! they also mentioned that it doesn't have the progressive timing advance. But are the power profiles greater and better on the pearl for ALL classes. Im sure they said the matrix ISTC was made for mod when that first came out? and most of us are using that or the lrp version.
reading the Nosram website suggest that the pearl is the proper new version of the matrix. Rather than a software enhanced matrix (being the stock spec). To us mere club racers with our 17.5's and 13.5's Will it make much difference?
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 28, 2009 13:07:57 GMT
indeed it mentions that its a great speedo for ALL classes...but! they also mentioned that it doesn't have the progressive timing advance. But are the power profiles greater and better on the pearl for ALL classes. Im sure they said the matrix ISTC was made for mod when that first came out? and most of us are using that or the lrp version. reading the Nosram website suggest that the pearl is the proper new version of the matrix. Rather than a software enhanced matrix (being the stock spec). To us mere club racers with our 17.5's and 13.5's Will it make much difference? Self advancing timing for stock classes must be the way to go. Normaly I can find a sweet spot FDR at most tracks pretty quick plus my motors arnt slow!! during sat practice at Aldershot a known driver to me left me down the strait  ..I had to find out why!! reason..a better speedo!! I fitted one the following day and returned the favor to some other drivers.... there may well be something better out there??? but at the time I was'nt going to be left behind or wait for some obscure make that "might" be the dogs!! I saw and suffered the proof that Nosram/LRP always produced good fast reliable pit progamable ESC's for the clubman...your choice! |
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Post by saintroeer on Apr 28, 2009 14:12:24 GMT
indeed it mentions that its a great speedo for ALL classes...but! they also mentioned that it doesn't have the progressive timing advance. But are the power profiles greater and better on the pearl for ALL classes. Im sure they said the matrix ISTC was made for mod when that first came out? and most of us are using that or the lrp version. reading the Nosram website suggest that the pearl is the proper new version of the matrix. Rather than a software enhanced matrix (being the stock spec). To us mere club racers with our 17.5's and 13.5's Will it make much difference? Self advancing timing for stock classes must be the way to go. Normaly I can find a sweet spot FDR at most tracks pretty quick plus my motors arnt slow!! during sat practice at Aldershot a known driver to me left me down the strait ..I had to find out why!! reason better speedo,I fitted one the following day and returned the favor to some other drivers....Nosram stock spec. there may well be something better out there??? but at the time I was'nt going to be left behind or wait for some obscure make that "might" be the dogs!! I saw and suffered the proof that Nosram/LRP always produced good fast reliable pit progamable ESC's for the clubman...your choice! having experienced the same problem as les had on sat all weekend, my decision had been made and the aforementioned esc ordered and expected delivered with plenty of time to spare for the cotswalds! As for lipos and/or motors well that is going to get more thought. |
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Post by gwesty on Apr 28, 2009 15:48:49 GMT
u didnt mention the speed passion 2 pro ?
thats what i used at aldershot ! gm is good if uv got a lap top with u at the track to adjust the profiles
glenn
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Post by Reuben on Apr 28, 2009 16:19:18 GMT
Should I? You can't mention it without telling us what you think of it. What useful features it has.... Spill the beans  |
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Post by gwesty on Apr 28, 2009 17:16:46 GMT
well its fully programmeable just like the others , also adjustable timing from 0 -26.75
loads of punch settings . i first used the unit with mod a while ago and really noticed the power difference ! i first used it at yateley btcc with a 10.5 and was impressed !
ive used the lrp ,nosram, sp1.1,and now the 2.0 . there isnt much different from all in my opinion just ease of use . oh yeah its finished in carbon which is cool !
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 28, 2009 17:25:14 GMT
indeed it mentions that its a great speedo for ALL classes...but! they also mentioned that it doesn't have the progressive timing advance. But are the power profiles greater and better on the pearl for ALL classes. Im sure they said the matrix ISTC was made for mod when that first came out? and most of us are using that or the lrp version. reading the Nosram website suggest that the pearl is the proper new version of the matrix. Rather than a software enhanced matrix (being the stock spec). To us mere club racers with our 17.5's and 13.5's Will it make much difference? Self advancing timing for stock classes must be the way to go. Normaly I can find a sweet spot FDR at most tracks pretty quick plus my motors arnt slow!! during sat practice at Aldershot a known driver to me left me down the strait ..I had to find out why!! reason..a better speedo!! I fitted one the following day and returned the favor to some other drivers.... there may well be something better out there??? but at the time I was'nt going to be left behind or wait for some obscure make that "might" be the dogs!! I saw and suffered the proof that Nosram/LRP always produced good fast reliable pit progamable ESC's for the clubman...your choice! What speedo were you running on the Saturday Les? |
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Post by mattsedgley on Apr 28, 2009 19:29:33 GMT
sphere 2007 version
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Post by TryHard on Apr 28, 2009 19:48:13 GMT
well its fully programmeable just like the others , also adjustable timing from 0 -26.75 loads of punch settings . i first used the unit with mod a while ago and really noticed the power difference ! i first used it at yateley btcc with a 10.5 and was impressed ! ive used the lrp ,nosram, sp1.1,and now the 2.0 . there isnt much different from all in my opinion just ease of use . oh yeah its finished in carbon which is cool ! Glenn, you forget you can get it in a shiney blue version too, matches Tamiyas nicely Ed |
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 28, 2009 19:56:40 GMT
thanks Matt...I remember, it was the one you borrowed on Sunday!...the odd coloured one that did'nt match your car ...sorry Matt you can borrow one that does next time..its worth 0.5 sec a lap  |
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Post by mattsedgley on Apr 28, 2009 19:57:54 GMT
darn that dead GTB! |
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 29, 2009 9:55:33 GMT
gwesty....you have a PM ..not about speedos either!! |
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Post by Reuben on Apr 29, 2009 12:01:28 GMT
Well I have painted my LRP sphere Red and taken off the fan, that means it goes faster right ?  |
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 29, 2009 12:26:50 GMT
Well I have painted my LRP sphere Red and taken off the fan, that means it goes faster right ? Wrong colour mate...purple needed for those FT D's ;D...better put the fan back on too,colour matching makes the car faster ..Bling is BS but nice though ..now theres!! a hole in the market...matching speedo,servo and RX snap on cases like the Mob phones  .......sorry had a very "sad" moment Novak are a bit quiet on the "new speedo" front?? considering they introduced BL'S for 10th cars....I think the first speedo/motor combo was called brick and stutter ;D |
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Post by Reuben on Apr 29, 2009 13:37:06 GMT
Red + Blue = Purple. So if i put a blue heatsink on a red speedo? thats almost purple...... Back to subject: |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 29, 2009 22:05:31 GMT
Anyone know where I can get an orange speedo; performance irrelevant ;D
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Post by mattsedgley on Apr 29, 2009 22:08:37 GMT
Indeed I've got an orange GTB, however it does have a purple heat sink on top... Although that's normal... Purple on top I mean!
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 30, 2009 6:59:56 GMT
Anyone know where I can get an orange speedo; performance irrelevant ;D Nice one!!! ;D I been playing with a self advancing speedo on a Dyno with various punch settings...interesting results,even though the revs increase dramatically on the higher setting the torque drops of even more dramaticaly..a big trade off!!!a definite rethink on known fdrs with this speedo .. This is only a guess, but this speedo may favor the more torquie motors...only testing will tell...example?? the cheaper 17.5 losi as we know has bags of bottom end grunt but runs out of steam quickly at the top end...it may improve this sort of motor???. This theory seems to cofirm why I ended up with nearly a Bashley FDR in pro stock at such a big track as Aldershot  ....somthing to play with at the Cotswolds? |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 30, 2009 11:29:23 GMT
LOL Les, nothing changes then . As per those old brushed days, multiple motors for different tracks and the winning performance goes to the guru who knows how to tune his electronic setup and can afford the expensive diagnostic tools to do so. Those who were preaching level playing field have been caught with their trousers down. And nothing wrong with that (not the trousers), if you want to win, learn how to get the best from your equipment and put the time in.  At Aldershot Craig's car was planted but even with top of the range Nosaram stuff he just didn't have the raw speed and I couldn't figure out what to do - apart from buy 5 engines and hope each would last 5 minutes ;D |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 30, 2009 11:57:21 GMT
Indeed I've got an orange GTB, however it does have a purple heat sink on top... Although that's normal... Purple on top I mean! LOl Matt, I'm tempted to put a 13.5 in the Orange one |
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 30, 2009 12:26:39 GMT
LOL Les, nothing changes then . As per those old brushed days, multiple motors for different tracks and the winning performance goes to the guru who knows how to tune his electronic setup and can afford the expensive diagnostic tools to do so. Those who were preaching level playing field have been caught with their trousers down. And nothing wrong with that (not the trousers), if you want to win, learn how to get the best from your equipment and put the time in. At Aldershot Craig's car was planted but even with top of the range Nosaram stuff he just didn't have the raw speed and I couldn't figure out what to do - apart from buy 5 engines and hope each would last 5 minutes ;D IMHO Its still "more" of a level playing field Pete...the specialy tuned team brushed motors and cells arnt there..you hav'nt been racing long enough to of seen what it was like "bad chap",lot of guys left racing because of this!...its more level now than its ever been, ..lol Dynos are there for all... always have been..as for speedos,it the same as !!! there is always progress....to be honest the speedo wars are no where as bad as they used to be,at the start of digital speedos brushed improvements used to be monthly ...the BL Novaks/Nosrams/Lrps haven't changed much up until now for two /three years!!!(ISTC 2007)...just other makes popping up> I did suggest to you when you decided to go BL to perhaps not be too hasty with speedo choice as there was improvements coming during the spring,you maybe should have gone BL some time ago,you would have understood and been ahead of the game by now with FDR's,punch and timing!!..blown motor at Aldershot?? Even in so called level field class racing such as Tamiya,Ansman,Mardave etc etc classes there will always be someone with a faster motor to moan about..why? experience and knowledge ...thats racing Just off to tuck my shirt in my "pulled up" race history experienced trousers ;D |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 30, 2009 22:37:05 GMT
It's great that Purple and Orange can agree Les. In these times of global warming, decimated honey bees, financial meltdown, pandemics, it just shows there is hope for the human race |
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Post by lesbaldry on May 1, 2009 8:53:38 GMT
It's great that Purple and Orange can agree Les. In these times of global warming, decimated honey bees, financial meltdown, pandemics, it just shows there is hope for the human race ... ;D.....Agree for a change..blimey Pete I was looking forward to another fun banter/battle......What can we stubborn buggers drum up next...I dunno what outsiders make of our battles,but we are the first to help/rescue each other on race days..even Mr Lloyd too ..........see ya soon chaps |
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Post by oldtimeracer on May 1, 2009 13:15:04 GMT
Purple and orange seem to be sharing but what about us blue boys. Well the car may be purple but the speedo is blue.
Is this a closed shop? or are we talking cars and not speedos now. Must be an age thing as I am getting very confused here.
Better get my zimmer and hearing aid ready. Oh no sorry, of course Les has borrowed the zimmer!
;D ;D
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Post by lesbaldry on May 2, 2009 7:26:44 GMT
Food for thought! Having a good chat last night to a reliable mate I am informed that the new Pearl "may" be better for short tight tracks,the stock spec better for long flowing tracks. Only having used my stock spec on one track I must admit it did give my car more legs..as for punch it seemed the same,but I am still learning fdrs for this speedo...only testing will tell....is the stock spec going to be the best allrounder???or is the better amp/phase an advantage only in the lower winds with the Pearl ?? after all is there only so many amps a stock motor correctly geared will draw regardless?? (10.5 might be the exception? ) dunno any experts out there, "book quoting not required here "... hands on expertise only ....your thoughts GW? |
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...I cant wait 
Yawn!!
..I had to find out why!! reason..a better speedo!! I fitted one the following day and returned the favor to some other drivers....
.......sorry had a very "sad" moment 
....somthing to play with at the Cotswolds?