Car wars II

[yellowshark]

[glow=red,2,300]Dear Mr Cambell sir..quoting "club level" results has absolutely no bearing upon the make of car...[/glow]

Mr Baldry sir, it may well be irrelevant, we are all club racers, but you started the thread I was just doing my job and ensuring beginners were not put off by your erroneous assertion

[lesbaldry]

A suposed erroneous assertion is irrelevent too by its by it own meaning!

Car wars? there is no meaning full car wars,just practical common sence advice for the new/club driver based apon years of racing,building and maintainance experiance of various makes! somthing you have yet to do Pete

To simplify the mater...I race two cars and classes in the SLCC and one car at club days so there for I need both cars to be near enough "spot on"...I know for a fact that if I were to run another make the expence to maintain both my cars to a high standard would be impractical,this tells me that the make I run is prety good for the new driver or club man..my experiance with other makes also tells me one "compared too" my choice is easy to set up/work on, two has next to no poor wear issues and three its simple,reliable and tough as old boots,again good and economical for the new driver/club man to keep up together.

Some makes I have ran along side my favored choice have proven to be very quick, but have become sloppy unreliable and slow in a very short time with premature wear issues,not good for the new driver/club man

Should I choose not to run two cars but just stick to one perfectly maintained car just for the use at important meets I would probably choose another make and throw money at it to keep it tight

Just for the record if I had to choose just one car "today!" to run in pro stock there would only be one car on my short list...Tamiya

[TryHard]

I know that feeling les

Just for your interest, I had a look at the Andy Moore Cyclone prototype this weekend... not massively new, but with a custom made longer top deck (removing the alloy "humps"), and with a different steering system... taken from which car? you guessed it.. the 416!

I also had some of the Xray team wanting to measure up the steering system to see if it would fit the Xray 009... says it all really!!

Ed

[lesbaldry]

May 19, 2009 7:57:22 GMT TryHard said:

I know that feeling les

Just for your interest, I had a look at the Andy Moore Cyclone prototype this weekend... not massively new, but with a custom made longer top deck (removing the alloy "humps"), and with a different steering system... taken from which car? you guessed it.. the 416!

I also had some of the Xray team wanting to measure up the steering system to see if it would fit the Xray 009... says it all really!!

Ed

Hmmm ...cheers Ed for the info....there's a lot of loyal HB drivers waiting for somthing new...but how long do we wait?...the Cyclones a very good car "the worlds proved that" but unless somthing is done very soon it may stagnate and be left behind???....no news can somtimes be good news,maybe HB's are getting it right "first time"...unlike others ;D

[yellowshark]

Les I am not sure if I am losing the plot but you seem to be. ???You like to pull my leg about the XRAY and I enjoy riposting, all good natured stuff. But you asserted that …. "the Cyclone diff upgrade (just a tiny screw) is minuscule compared to items needed to make a Xray perform".

All I was doing in my post was to correct that statement and in a factual way show a newbie or indeed any driver considering a change, that you don’t have to spend a penny to have a competitive XRAY.

Indeed, I couldn’t be bothered to argue last night, but quoting club level results was totally appropriate in my view

As a note, at Bashley, after 1.5 seasons we have found that for us the out of the box 008 kit settings are spot on for a base setup – we have two very minor changes; not because we have not been elsewhere through research but that is where we have ended up.

[mattsedgley]

To be honest... in reality; all of the current tc cars can be made to go fast, I'm certain non of us are getting to the higher limits of what is possible with the chassis...

The Xray T2R kit looks good for the money £199... HPI/HB are missing a trick there as the Cyclone TC is a dam site more expensive and they don't have a car located in the "budget" end of the market..

That said... I've now owned 6 touring cars and 2 minis since I started in the RC world.. again... and I must say, the Cyclone TC is the best chassis so far, the set up window seems to be very wide, much much wider than the scythe, and even wider than the pro4, who knows with an Xray, Les has never given me a bit of wrong advice before (aside from that brushless motor 17.5/13.5 confusion ) so I'm willing to believe what he says...

however getting back to the cars in question.. My TC has had nothing.. other than a set of pink springs, that sit in between gold and silver.. so kit price plus 4.99 not to shabby!

Matt

[lesbaldry]

May 19, 2009 11:43:04 GMT yellowshark said:

Les I am not sure if I am losing the plot but you seem to be. ???You like to pull my leg about the XRAY and I enjoy riposting, all good natured stuff. But you asserted that …. "the Cyclone diff upgrade (just a tiny screw) is minuscule compared to items needed to make a Xray perform".

All I was doing in my post was to correct that statement and in a factual way show a newbie or indeed any driver considering a change, that you don’t have to spend a penny to have a competitive XRAY.

Indeed, I couldn’t be bothered to argue last night, but quoting club level results was totally appropriate in my view

As a note, at Bashley, after 1.5 seasons we have found that for us the out of the box 008 kit settings are spot on for a base setup – we have two very minor changes; not because we have not been elsewhere through research but that is where we have ended up.

All cars have issues Pete,some more than others that I have found out to my own misfourtune....some cars go superbly well out of the box but get sloppy and become a hand full to drive in a very short period,some can be sloppy but still drive well making them a good choice for the New driver with limited funds.

Both you and your lads have done very well in a relativly short period "3 years with just Xray??"..but you are tenatious with your reserch which has helped a lot with what I would call "not a Newbys car"..even though your car is a top runner and very quick its not set up forgiving plus a newby reads all about certain improvement to this model and can become confused and fustrated "they confused me "...some racers dont need this sort of car,all they want is somthing that works with out any hassel.

Out of all of the current top runners I stll feel my choice of drive is the most user friendly and easiest to drive...It may not nesseraly be the quickest but it works...my thoughts are based on experiance with other makes that I have built,driven and raced along side my prefered drive. Regards Les

[oldtimeracer]

Jamie Traylor seems to have got his x-ray working well as he is certainly on the pace. I have not heard he has had to do a lot to make it competitive.

Unless of course someone else knows better.....

[lesbaldry]

May 20, 2009 7:10:26 GMT @oldtimeracer said:

Jamie Traylor seems to have got his x-ray working well as he is certainly on the pace. I have not heard he has had to do a lot to make it competitive.

Unless of course someone else knows better.....

Hes NO NEWBY!

[oldtimeracer]

That is of course true Les but has he had to buy loads of "extra" bits to make his car go well or is it a case of he could drive anything regardless?

Bit like Jeff Smith. First time out with the Cyclone and he is on the pace and winning.

Makes you wonder if it is a case of ability versus capability. As we have said many times a good driver will make any car look good regardless of any "shortcomings" in the chassis.

[Simon Crabb]

I'm with you on that Ian, I reckon most drivers ability (after they've got the experience under their belt) is of a certain level and that's it, no matter what car they drive.

Pay your money takes your choice I guess?

[lesbaldry]

May 20, 2009 8:00:07 GMT @oldtimeracer said:

That is of course true Les but has he had to buy loads of "extra" bits to make his car go well or is it a case of he could drive anything regardless?

Bit like Jeff Smith. First time out with the Cyclone and he is on the pace and winning.

Makes you wonder if it is a case of ability versus capability. As we have said many times a good driver will make any car look good regardless of any "shortcomings" in the chassis.[/quote



The Xray set up book could puggle the mind of any body(chassis flex,screw position) too many adjutments for a new driver??,especialy items like up grade top decks,alloy shocks,esc drive shafts...Ill stick to simple cars thanks ;D...you still enjoying yours?

[oldtimeracer]

I am certainly happy with the Cyclone. Seems to suit me OK. As long as I am capable of doing 19 laps at Bashley on a regular basis I cannot complain.

Trying some different bits at the moment just to see what difference they make.

My ability is certainly not more than the capability of the car and will never be. Horses for courses etc...

[lesbaldry]

I would love to have the know how and ability to use all the best points from all makes and make one car to suit all....Knowing my luck it would probably handle like a greasy marble ;D

How would Mr Clubman prioritize Importance when choosing a Chassis,considering performance is pretty equal on his short list.

My choice:

1: has to be quick availability of spares "no quick spares no racing "

2:...joint 2nd has to be reliability and ease of set up..nothing worse than a finicky car!!

3:ease of maintenance and adjust ability,poor engineering design irritates the hell out of me!

4:durability..if it wears out quickly it hurts the pocket

Where does cost and bling fit in??..thats personal but bling does stupidly sway choice regardless

[Reuben]

For me being new it was purely cost and ease of drive out of the box.

Ian N and Les both said to my that my original sprint would hold me back and a chassis upgrade was a good idea. They both mentioned either a pro4, cyclone or xray.

What swayed it for me was cost to what you got.

my first cyclone was £135 and only needed some new shock diaphragm things. Bargain!

since then I had brought another 2nd hand cyclone with 2 spare chassis and a lifetime worth of spares for £160. So thats why I drive cyclone. How ever next time I buy a chassis it will most probably be HB again. purely because so-far the cyclone has been amazing and stepped up to every challenge, I understand the car more and know how to make it handle well enough for me to drive at bashley, if something is wrong i can change it and it works (not saying I can set it up amazingly, but i can make it driveable for me), but thats from experience of running the same chassis over a period of time.

Therefore moving to a new HB car one would assume much would be the same.

Plus the availability of HB parts is excellent.

[oldtimeracer]

Reuben I agree with your assumptions. A new car is always a problem when you have a vast stock of spares and history with your current car. Unfortunately for some this means they will never have experience of other makes and what they are like.

I have changed makes and models many times over the years and it is always a pain when you have to get rid of all those bits you have accumulated and start again.

I think I will be sticking with the Cyclone for a while longer but are we not all swayed by current trends? Is it not part of the game to want to try other makes or cars or just upgrade to the latest versions.

It is very easy to get stuck in a rut with only ever running one make and maybe/possibly not getting the best from your racing when there may be a car out there that would suit you more if only you tried it.

Look at Rob Howett (hope you don't mind this Rob) but he was with Schumacher for a long time and now loves the Tamiya. I for one always liked the Tamiya but certainly feel better with the Cyclone.

If you don't try different things you will never know.

[lesbaldry]

May 20, 2009 14:10:54 GMT @oldtimeracer said:

If you don't try different things you will never know.

Exactly Ian,curiosity,thats how you gather experience and find out the grass isn't always greener!...the best engineered thing since sliced bread can be a bit stale if you believed the hype..."bin" there done that

Most chassis's that "tops the bill" was probably designed for Mod/5 cell ...will it work for the clubman in stock classes?

[yellowshark]

May 20, 2009 9:22:22 GMT @lesbaldry said:

I would love to have the know how and ability to use all the best points from all makes and make one car to suit all....Knowing my luck it would probably handle like a greasy marble ;D

How would Mr Clubman prioritize Importance when choosing a Chassis,considering performance is pretty equal on his short list.

My choice:

1: has to be quick availability of spares "no quick spares no racing "

2:...joint 2nd has to be reliability and ease of set up..nothing worse than a finicky car!!

3:ease of maintenance and adjust ability,poor engineering design irritates the hell out of me!

4:durability..if it wears out quickly it hurts the pocket

Where does cost and bling fit in??..thats personal but bling does stupidly sway choice regardless

Agree 100% Les; obviously though orange bling had no influence on my decision

[yellowshark]

May 20, 2009 15:13:26 GMT @lesbaldry said:

May 20, 2009 14:10:54 GMT @oldtimeracer said:

If you don't try different things you will never know.

Exactly Ian,curiosity,thats how you gather experience and find out the grass isn't always greener!...the best engineered thing since sliced bread can be a bit stale if you believed the hype..."bin" there done that

Most chassis's that "tops the bill" was probably designed for Mod/5 cell ...will it work for the clubman in stock classes?

I have to side with Reuben on this one, because for the very same reasons that is where Team Campbell is. If you have the experience and, importantly, the skill of someone like Les then fine but for us mere mortals I think stability is a good thing. Learn how to get the most out of it, how to effectively adapt it for changing tracks and conditions and spend your time foccusing on improving your driving not fighting the car.

Mind you I was gobsmacked at how fast young Master Horton was in his new Schumacher ;D

[gwesty]

Mind you I was gobsmacked at how fast young Master Horton was in his new Schumacher ;D [/quote]




you seem alittle surprised ! just wait untill hes had some more time setting it how he likes his cars

[yellowshark]

May 20, 2009 18:53:46 GMT gwesty said:

Mind you I was gobsmacked at how fast young Master Horton was in his new Schumacher ;D

you seem alittle surprised ! just wait untill hes had some more time setting it how he likes his cars [/quote]

Omigod