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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 6, 2011 21:12:36 GMT
Is it me or has anyone else noticed how quiet the forum has got ? I enjoy the old debates even just reading and not taking part. What we need is a new thread, something to get our teeth into. Any ideas, come on Pete you must have something mate  Dont make me start a "What is the best smart phone thread" And yes I am bored without racing this week. Even the kids are behaving themselves. |
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Post by justchris on Jan 7, 2011 5:35:03 GMT
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Post by martinchallis on Jan 7, 2011 9:21:05 GMT
the forum is quite quiet |
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 7, 2011 10:59:23 GMT
I had not noticed.
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 7, 2011 12:20:01 GMT
Just noticed I put an E on then end making it quite wrong way of spelling. Still doesnt look right though. Knew I should have stayed at school for that last year  |
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 7, 2011 14:03:05 GMT
It is still quiet quiet so I am going to quit.
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Post by mattsedgley on Jan 7, 2011 19:10:53 GMT
Oh Ian that kind of humour will get you no-where fast!
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 8, 2011 0:18:59 GMT
I'll put my mind to it Darren ;D I was actually surprised Les didnt pick up on tyres the other week,I might re-present the point. To keep you going for the next 24 hours or so, as an inanimate object, can a forum be quiet?
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 8, 2011 9:21:00 GMT
Surely the very fact it is inanimate will make it quite quiet? Unless it squeaks in the wind.
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 8, 2011 9:39:19 GMT
Surly the fact that it's in cyber space makes it a none physical object therefore rendering it neither inanimate or infact an object ? It's more of an enigma. Something we have no understanding of.
Come on Pete,and Ian beat that for a big load of bulls##t. Lol
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 8, 2011 10:18:55 GMT
Good a spin off discussion. Ian is suggesting there can be degrees of quiet,ie it is not binary. Unfortunately I do not have the OED to hand and i would never trust Wiki on language stuff so I might hold on commenting on that although I think I have always felt it was binary but know I have used it as not being binary. Where is our teacher?
I did look on Wiki and it said "QUIET - is an astronomy experiment to study the polarization of the cosmic microwave background radiation"
So I guess Darren must have hit it spot on ;D
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Post by mattsedgley on Jan 8, 2011 10:48:13 GMT
With thanks to www.urbandictionary.com"To shut someone down after they say something so stupid they should not even be allowed to speak. Must be said in a very loud monotone voice to emphasis the stupidity like this QUIET" |
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Post by justchris on Jan 8, 2011 11:02:37 GMT
The issue is not whether the forum is inanimate or animate but rather whether or not a forum can BE. Epistemologically, solipsists would argue that a forum is only a conception of the minds of each individual acting as interested observer of the phenomenon, therefore the question cannnot exists since the forum does not exist in any sort of shared reality. Idealists, on the other hand, would take a more pragmatic view, believing in the existence of a world "out there" - (see Heidegger who argues that that there is little point in debating the existence of the world as such but rather that we should concentrate our efforts on how such worldhood may be understood) - but that reality constructed from being in the world is individually conceived according to experience of worldhood. In this view, the question itself is flawed since it is not relevant as to whether a forum can or cannot be quiet but rather how each individual conceives the quietness of forum - i.e. what is quietness and what is forum? |
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Post by Reuben on Jan 8, 2011 11:04:39 GMT
I am the Walrus
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 8, 2011 13:48:17 GMT
Well in my opinion there is a right and wrong to what is being said. The "Forum" is indeed a physical entity in that ir does exist, also anything that is written on the forum actually exists as we can see it now. Now to say that this is "quiet" may well be a step too far as for something (in reality) to actually be "quiet" is has to be able to make noise. Having said that "quiet" is used on many occasions to determine a state of something that is deemed as not being as active/busy as it may have been. In that case if no one uses the forum very much when in past times the forum has been used a lot then it is possible to deem it as "quiet"
Mind you there are some things that can never be seen as quiet, Sedgley for one!
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Post by mattsedgley on Jan 8, 2011 14:41:47 GMT
Mind you there are some things that can never be seen as quiet, Sedgley for one! commentary is a state of mind Mr Lloyd, you're either in or you're out! |
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Post by justchris on Jan 8, 2011 15:04:55 GMT
I See the wife has been on the web-site!!!!!!!!!
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 8, 2011 16:51:11 GMT
Goo goo be-doo. I have a lot sympathy for Ian’s comments but Chris actually is very close. Reuben of course does not actually exist and Matt is a figment of Reuben’s imagination (spin off thread there guys, can you actually exist if you are a figment of something that does not exist?). Anyway back to the point in hand and the reality. A forum is an extension of two or more peoples’ minds or if you like a conception, so as Chris says, epistemologically it does not physically exist. Do not be fooled by what you are reading, that is just a representation, or if you techies like, a user interface. So having established that the forum does not physically exist, then Ian rounds it off nicely by explaining that it cannot therefore be deemed quiet. Fine but what is really worrying me is that if we accept the principle that something has to be real to be able to make a noise or not and thus be deemed quiet or not, as Sedgey cannot be quiet does that mean that he cannot exist? And if he cannot exist how can he be a figment of Reuben’s imagination. Which may lead us elsewhere as I would assert you cannot imagine something that cannot be. Which all in all makes these walruses strange creatures  BTW don’t forget to read the “Winter of Disconnect” |
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Post by justchris on Jan 8, 2011 17:06:07 GMT
Of course, it all stems from the ontological stance an individual adopts; a realist will consider the forum to exist as a phenomenon in its own right but the idealist, whilst accepting that a number of individuals share a conception of the forum, consider that experience of 'reality' of the forum is individually constructed.
Likewise, the quietude or otherwise is either concrete (realism) or individually perceived (idealism) or, what is quiet to one may be otherwise to another.
Which takes us to the meaning of 'quiet' - apart from its actual etymology, it can be conceived as either a quality of sound or a quality of business (busyness) or, indeed, a combination of both. No individual, according to the interpretevist viewpoint, will hold the same conception of 'quiet' whereas the functionalist argues that the meaning is fixed.
So, guys, it all depends upon which side of the ontological fence you stand as to whether this whole argument is valid or not. Which takes us finally, to the idea of argument ..........
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Post by mattsedgley on Jan 8, 2011 17:18:15 GMT
So having established that the forum does not physically exist, then Ian rounds it off nicely by explaining that it cannot therefore be deemed quiet let us not forget that the forum does exist - for us to read it there is a backgroud of data, that is Physical, it sits on higly polished platters rotating and thousands of RPMs. and then you have to consider, the people who are reading this, but have not clicked refresh for a while, as they will have an alternate version of the current thread, stored physically in the memory on their computer. |
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Post by Josh Hedge on Jan 8, 2011 17:42:16 GMT
So having established that the forum does not physically exist, then Ian rounds it off nicely by explaining that it cannot therefore be deemed quiet let us not forget that the forum does exist - for us to read it there is a backgroud of data, that is Physical, it sits on higly polished platters rotating and thousands of RPMs. and then you have to consider, the people who are reading this, but have not clicked refresh for a while, as they will have an alternate version of the current thread, stored physically in the memory on their computer. Unless your Reuben who uses a SSD |
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Post by Dave Chamberlain on Jan 8, 2011 19:32:30 GMT
I'm the egg man.......
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 8, 2011 19:37:32 GMT
Think your taking it over peoples head there Josh |
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Post by Reuben on Jan 8, 2011 19:44:20 GMT
all you need to know, is that the only thing that rhyms with Reuben is Fast!  |
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 8, 2011 22:17:49 GMT
Ever wondered what data stored actually looks like in that computer though Matt ?
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 11, 2011 22:54:31 GMT
all you need to know, is that the only thing that rhyms with Reuben is Fast! d**n fast, for a walrus of course ;D |
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Post by lesbaldry on Jan 11, 2011 23:22:33 GMT
God alive what are you lot like boring or wot .....I started to nod off at reply No 11. . Is there no one out there spoiling for a good argument "sorry" debate! OK so Ill start one What makes a driver worthy of a "team" drive and how should that driver conduct himself once he has earned that privilege. Do people think that there are too many of these so called "team" drives up for grabs even by the relative inexperienced racer with no history therefor making a "team" drive less prestigious than it used to be. |
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 12, 2011 15:39:22 GMT
OK Les here goes.
Firstly, good attitude, fast pace, articulate, friendly and willing to listen even when things are tough.
Should not have, tantrums, use bad language, scruffy car.
Thirdly, yes there are too many. It is just a way the manufacturers use to promote their sometimes inferior products. Almost anyone can be a "team" driver which to my mind negates the importance of it.
Was that good for a start?
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Post by justchris on Jan 12, 2011 19:13:28 GMT
Hi les I agree totally with ians reply but only to his first 2 views, not sure about 3rd view but to be a team driver is a real honour and i dont think they would just give them positions to anyone. Take our clubs team drivers they are all the above and they worked hard to get those positions. (just my view)
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 12, 2011 20:17:12 GMT
- Able to read to read 12 posts of intellectually stimulating forum threads and contribute in a way that furthers the discussion
Able to promote, morally, the sponsor's product or service
Passive on detrimental comments on competitor products
Provide assistance to other driver's using that product/service based on experience not what the brochure says
Provide the sponsor with appropriate feedback, good or bad
Help the sponsor improve the product quality and product sales
Ability to hijack other threads without guilt or remorse
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