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Post by martinchallis on Jan 12, 2011 21:16:39 GMT
definitely the ability to mesh a pin and spur
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Post by Reuben on Jan 12, 2011 23:00:12 GMT
Making a driver "Worthy" is a tough one, because each Factory / Shop have their own criteria. We can speculate reasons behind why people become worthy of a team drive, but ultimately its the factory/shop that decide who they will support and why. Seems like a mixed bag to me That driver is the most powerful advertising tool to that shop/factory, everything they do good and bad will be scrutinised by others. plus whats better than kicking a "Sponsored" drivers ass
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Post by martinchallis on Jan 13, 2011 5:44:38 GMT
Kicking 2 sponsored drivers arses!!
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 13, 2011 10:36:14 GMT
Ahhh....this brings up another point. In my mind there is a HUGE difference between a "sponsored" driver and a "team" driver. Almost anyone can be a sponsored driver, this just means that you get some bits cheap. A TEAM driver I would take to mean someone who drives full time for the manufacturers team and gets all their parts supplied as well as testing new parts and helping developement.
To get to be a TEAM driver is something we would all aspire to but very few will actually make it.
To get to be a sponsored driver is a question of getting your local hobby store to suggest your name to the manufacturer.
Or am I being ever so slightly cynical here?
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Post by lesbaldry on Jan 24, 2011 23:30:07 GMT
Ahhh....this brings up another point. In my mind there is a HUGE difference between a "sponsored" driver and a "team" driver. Almost anyone can be a sponsored driver, this just means that you get some bits cheap. A TEAM driver I would take to mean someone who drives full time for the manufacturers team and gets all their parts supplied as well as testing new parts and helping developement. To get to be a TEAM driver is something we would all aspire to but very few will actually make it. To get to be a sponsored driver is a question of getting your local hobby store to suggest your name to the manufacturer. Or am I being ever so slightly cynical here? Not at all Ian ,just about spot on! when I used the term "Team" driver it was meant "tongue n cheak"....Some of the so called team drives can do damage to the brain cells and the local model shop! just been able to tie your shoe laces and speak in words of two syllables these days can get you one of these drives!unfortunately it can "go to ones brain" and scramble you values,morals and respect for the new driver.One or two I have met even strut around giving orders and quoting "their" set up is best.if the truth was known "their set up" was crawled for and butt licked from a proper team driver!basically they haven't really got a clue,they certainly couldn't set up a "strange make" to them out of the box with out help.they would probably run a carpet set up on tarmac....not the sort of thing to do when you are a worthy "team driver".....it does makes the new driver "wonder " if he's good enough for a "team drive" A worthy driver can pick up a new make and make it work in a very short time without too much help...that comands respect! This brings me to the local model shop.Some of these "team drives" require the driver to go direct to the manufacture for their parts and discount therefor cutting business to your local shop.given time this will do damage to your shop who one day may not be there for you to pop in and buy the part that keeps you racing the next day!!....so don't kid your selves "team drivers" it ain't a team drive its a manufactures loyalty drive and trust me they make more money when you buy direct!they just make it sound special when you sign up,thats all!! And befor someone asks do I have a "team drive" Yes I do have an assisted drive but I go through my local model shop and I never asked for it either,it was kindly offered...put it this way I didnt need to crawl ar5e and bribe with a box of chocs to get the car
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Post by Reuben on Jan 25, 2011 0:20:39 GMT
Ahhh....this brings up another point. In my mind there is a HUGE difference between a "sponsored" driver and a "team" driver. Almost anyone can be a sponsored driver, this just means that you get some bits cheap. A TEAM driver I would take to mean someone who drives full time for the manufacturers team and gets all their parts supplied as well as testing new parts and helping developement. To get to be a TEAM driver is something we would all aspire to but very few will actually make it. To get to be a sponsored driver is a question of getting your local hobby store to suggest your name to the manufacturer. Or am I being ever so slightly cynical here? Not at all Ian ,just about spot on! when I used the term "Team" driver it was meant "tongue n cheak"....Some of the so called team drives can do damage to the brain cells and the local model shop! just been able to tie your shoe laces and speak in words of two syllables these days can get you one of these drives!unfortunately it can "go to ones brain" and scramble you values,morals and respect for the new driver.One or two I have met even strut around giving orders and quoting "their" set up is best.if the truth was known "their set up" was crawled for and butt licked from a proper team driver!basically they haven't really got a clue,they certainly couldn't set up a "strange make" to them out of the box with out help.they would probably run a carpet set up on tarmac....not the sort of thing to do when you are a worthy "team driver".....it does makes the new driver "wonder " if he's good enough for a "team drive" A worthy driver can pick up a new make and make it work in a very short time without too much help...that comands respect! This brings me to the local model shop.Some of these "team drives" require the driver to go direct to the manufacture for their parts and discount therefor cutting business to your local shop.given time this will do damage to your shop who one day may not be there for you to pop in and buy the part that keeps you racing the next day!!....so don't kid your selves "team drivers" it ain't a team drive its a manufactures loyalty drive and trust me they make more money when you buy direct!they just make it sound special when you sign up,thats all!! And befor someone asks do I have a "team drive" Yes I do have an assisted drive but I go through my local model shop and I never asked for it either,it was kindly offered...put it this way I didnt need to crawl ar5e and bribe with a box of chocs to get the car I get the feeling that this is directed more at a few individuals rather than a consensus of Team / Sponsored drivers?
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 25, 2011 9:21:08 GMT
No I don,t think so Reuben, at least I don't see it that way.
The points are valid though and taking business and profit (however small) away from your local model shop is a tough one to agree with. If you don't use it you will lose it. Your local model shop is your focal point or at least it should be. Bypassing them for whatever reason is sounding a death knell to those people who spend their lives trying to give you what you want every day of the year. You WILL miss them when they are gone. Even in this digital online age, the chance to pop in to your local store for a chat and a cup of tea and actually handle the latest bits and bobs before you buy is worth a lot, well to me anyway.
Of course there are times you hate them. Walking into the shop (as I did last week) and finding a new kit on the shelf is a bummer as all of a sudden you are parting with hard earned cash yet again. Hey ho.....
The point about team drivers is that it is perceived as being for an elite bunch of top class drivers when actually it has been demoted to being for anyone who wants it. Mainly in the name of promoting manufacurers products at the expense of actual talent.
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Post by martinchallis on Jan 25, 2011 9:54:42 GMT
I certainly do perceive it as a personal attack, for which this forum is not the place.
Les, I am amazed to see that you are harbouring so much ill feeling. And its nice to see a TEAM DRIVER doing as much as he can to create an atmosphere within our club.
The only thing i will agree on is that we all should support our local model shops, as ian said... Use it or loose it.
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Post by jamietraylor on Jan 25, 2011 11:02:44 GMT
I agree with Martin on this one!
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Post by ianlloyd on Jan 25, 2011 11:55:00 GMT
Sorry guys, I never even thought that this was a personal attack on anyone. Was certainly not any intention on my part to be like that. Apologies if that is the way my comments sounded. I will withdraw from this subject.
Sorry again.
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Post by Reality Racer on Jan 25, 2011 12:34:29 GMT
Thanks to all those who support me at Reality Racing on a regular basis, it’s much appreciated and needed to keep the shop trading.
In this economic climate every small business needs all the sales they can get just to keep their heads above water.
I really do want to carry on serving you all and not become another statistic.
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Post by Reuben on Jan 25, 2011 14:24:46 GMT
we all should support our local model shops, as ian said... Use it or loose it. + 1 without these guys, the entry numbers into the hobby would be far less. I know terry helped me get into the hobby when I first started, he was the man I was able to ask questions to in the shop and he was able to provide help, somewhere I could go to see what was available and ask what was suited to the local clubs - you dont get that service online. It also allows us to be more on the same wavelength to. New members show up and ask what they need, we know we can suggest stuff like Pro-eco or eco and the local model shop will know what we are talking about and will usually advise the same thing. If a new member went online and asked some shop - I bet they would end up with a £200 esc and 13.5t they could hardly control. As much as we need these shops as a Point of Sale for goods, we also need them as a service towards the club - and I think our Local Hobby shop does that great!
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Post by lesbaldry on Jan 25, 2011 17:38:12 GMT
I certainly do perceive it as a personal attack, for which this forum is not the place. Les, I am amazed to see that you are harbouring so much ill feeling. And its nice to see a TEAM DRIVER doing as much as he can to create an atmosphere within our club. The only thing i will agree on is that we all should support our local model shops, as ian said... Use it or loose it. I make no apologies for what you think is ill feeling I'm purely voicing the majority of opinions from other well respected drivers way out side of the club!...importantly to a point that go's a "little" deeper than just "team drives"
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 25, 2011 18:22:16 GMT
I am not joining the affray and Les and I do not always agree (although that is nearly always disagreement with humour because he loves to play on my XRAY fanatacism) but Les, I didn't discern any affront in your post. And with all respect to everyone else, including myself, Les has a lot of personal experience, and on this subject matter too, and his posts are always worthy of reading and contemplating, even if ultimately one does not agree with everything said.
Now if you want to create a really contentious thread on the club forum, let's have a thread on XRAY shocks ;D
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 25, 2011 19:29:30 GMT
Starting to feel guilty even starting this thread now. But yes Pete kit xray shock are not the best in my opinion. Well I say that but I use the alu ones and still can't get the rebound right. 1mm hole in the top they say works. As for the earlier posts ref team drivers and hobby shops I agree with supporting your local hobby shop and will continue to do so. Yes I now and again will get the odd thing online or ebay but the vast majority I buy from Terry. This is not just as it's close. I realised today how much knowledge he actually has about not just our type of class racing but off road too and this kind of chit chat you cant get via an online shopping basket. I don't think we need to be going down the route of getting personal on the forum though unless it is directly effecting club members. If this is the case then fair enough. But I don't think we are at that point yet unless there is something going on I have missed (apart from last wed night) To me the club has always been a friendly atmosphere to race so let's keep it that way.
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 25, 2011 19:47:24 GMT
Dear me Darren I don't think a friendly club forum is the place for such slanderous and provocative statements . World wars have started for less ;D The good thing is of course is that it just shows how honest XRAY drivers are - just another good reason for investing in the best I hated the alu shocks at first too - to the extent I almost went back to their excellent composite adjustable shocks. Then I tried a bleeding technique Les showed me at Cotswolds a few years back and I have been a happy bunny ever since. They still loose their rebound too quickly for my liking though, although I guess that is personal thing.
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Post by Reuben on Jan 25, 2011 19:49:58 GMT
Dear me Darren I don't think a friendly club forum is the place for such slanderous and provocative statements . World wars have started for less ;D The good thing is of course is that it just shows how honest XRAY drivers are - just another good reason for investing in the best I hated the alu shocks at first too - to the extent I almost went back to their excellent composite adjustable shocks. Then I tried a bleeding technique Les showed me at Cotswolds a few years back and I have been a happy bunny ever since. They still loose their rebound too quickly for my liking though, although I guess that is personal thing. its taken me a few builds and hours of practice. But now I build them and 4 meetings later they are still air-free and lost no rebound. using those new bladders yet Pete?
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Post by lesbaldry on Jan 25, 2011 20:30:06 GMT
LMAO....and you were all complaining about a boring forum! Now one or two have something to whinge about!....Its strange how the truth hits home,perhaps it will open some peoples eyes to facts,keep some people humble but importantly keep some peoples gob shut from passing unnecessary belittling big headed sarcastic comments to my friend about their driving ability,car choice and set up " thats not the sort or behavior expected from a "team driver" IS IT?? its a personal attack that needs pay back in my book... Oh and Martin/Jamie if you want a list of so called ill feeling? ill do you one no prob
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 25, 2011 20:31:25 GMT
New bladders new bladders where ?
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Post by lesbaldry on Jan 25, 2011 23:23:30 GMT
Now if you want to create a really contentious thread on the club forum, let's have a thread on XRAY shocks ;D Oh Pete Oh Pete,how the hell can such a company as Xray still produce those silly plastic shocks for such a well engineered car? when the likes of Tamiya,Top and Ae have such bullet proof units compared too .Don't they read the world forums? most new Xray drivers have a gripe with them but the die hard fan suffers in silence.Even the Alloy body versions are just as bad. Its a shame that something as basic as irritating shocks can put people off such a nice but expensive chassis. The track side shop owner at Chipenham made me laugh.I overheard him talking to what I presumed to be a newish driver. The driver asked whats selling well and whats the best car at the mo He replied ,the drivers in the know are going for the Xray or the TC6...The butch ones go for the TC6 and the tarty "blingy" type go for the Xray Whys that? asked the driver in a confused voice Oh "bloody hell" now I see he said as the shop owner opened the Xray box and showed him the colour .....Ill take the TC6 please Actually part of that is true.Just the last 3 lines are Shark bait ...I supose buying an Xray is a bit like buying "one of those" expensive mags from the top shelf,you are itching to have a look but you let the shop empty befor you rush and pay for it ;D....and the man behind the counter says "would you like a bag for that.
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 26, 2011 0:00:13 GMT
I hated the alu shocks at first too - to the extent I almost went back to their excellent composite adjustable shocks. Did you ever try the excellent adjustable pistons mate. Cant seem to find anyone that has used them. I am sure even the xray drivers say they use then as they are paid to, Who is actually going to check though. I just cant get them all to the same rebound or zero without loosing half the oil then having to start again. I dont think the difference in handling i would notice but its nice to have them all the same. Where is that 1mm drill bit ?
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Post by Reuben on Jan 26, 2011 0:42:20 GMT
One thing that helped me Darren was to build the shock with 100%, fully extend the shaft undo the top cap 1 turn (enough to release bladder a little), then push the piston up to the desired rebound level, hold steady and then tighten cap (dont pull the piston down with the cap unscrewed, as air will be pulled in . ), repeat until you have desired rebound and no air.
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 26, 2011 23:47:08 GMT
I need to watch you do one on sunday mate. ;D
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Post by Reuben on Jan 26, 2011 23:54:45 GMT
no problem, ill leave my shocks until first thing sunday then
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 27, 2011 0:08:40 GMT
[/quote] its taken me a few builds and hours of practice. But now I build them and 4 meetings later they are still air-free and lost no rebound. using those new bladders yet Pete?[/quote] Glad to hear you like them Reuben. Yes the one thing I will say is that they are great for sealing out the air. No I have not tried the new bladders yet - plentifu stock of the old bladders to get through first , maybe they fix the rebound thing. I will have to have a chat with you on that.
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 27, 2011 0:22:33 GMT
LOL Les, I will have to bring my yellow corvette down the track one day, with matching yellow cap, shades and shirt - you will appreciate then that I am quite comfortable with a bit of bling ;D ;D If i can ever afford a 2nd hand Gallardo it will be in Lambo orange to match the XRAY I can't argue the toss over the shocks though, yes you would think they would be better, certainly in terms of maintenance. It is possible that these new XTAY bladders ahave goen a long way, I know thta is what many people change. Even I acuired a set of TRF bladders, quite difficult to find, but I have not used them yet.
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 27, 2011 0:31:11 GMT
I hated the alu shocks at first too - to the extent I almost went back to their excellent composite adjustable shocks. Did you ever try the excellent adjustable pistons mate. Cant seem to find anyone that has used them. I am sure even the xray drivers say they use then as they are paid to, Who is actually going to check though. I just cant get them all to the same rebound or zero without loosing half the oil then having to start again. I dont think the difference in handling i would notice but its nice to have them all the same. Where is that 1mm drill bit ? Oh yes we used the adjustable ones for ages. As chief mechanic & setup tactician I loved them. Some people complained that the locator could jump out but I never noticed that happening to us. But when we tried the Alu shocks and did a reasonable session of back to back testing at Bashley, Craig definitely noticed the difference in terms of a smoother ride and the clock was showing better lap times. I have to say I miss them though. They give you a very small adjustment and can give quickly give you the difference between OK handling as the track changes to very good handling.
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Post by yellowshark on Jan 27, 2011 0:53:34 GMT
Following up on the subject of XRAY quality and really useful upgrades, orange battery holders now available ;D ;D www.team-powers.co.uk/
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 27, 2011 8:47:31 GMT
Yeah saw them on rc tech nice bit of bling for the xray driver that want to get that perfect balance between orange and black
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Post by darrenoakley on Jan 27, 2011 21:51:52 GMT
Well drilled 1mm hole down from the small dent in the top at an angle and worked perfectly now. 25% rebound on first try and 0% also easy to achieve. Think the main problem with the shocks is the bladders.
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