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Post by shaun207 on May 1, 2011 21:42:30 GMT
hi ;D Im after a lift for the next btcc meeting at cotsworld on the 29th ( 1 month today !! ) .. does anyone have a spare seat , and ill help out with fuel etc ... ....
cheers shaun
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Post by shane on May 15, 2011 19:21:02 GMT
whats wrong with your chav car ,worried it wont be nice to sleep in lol
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Post by lesbaldry on May 16, 2011 10:43:37 GMT
Ok you Cotswolds track Newbys  Heres a Little "heads up" for this hopefully dry weekend. Apart from loads camping,BBQ's and free flowing beers.the track is huge,fast flowing,wide, has pretty good grip from cold with plenty of soft run off areas.put it this way driving a fast 13.5 round this huge track will feel as fast as a slow17.5 2nd gen round Bashley,even with 10.5 you get a chance to scratch your nose down the strait or pass the time of day with the racer next to you on the rostrum. As its a horse power track that's very easy to drive but hard to be fast on,fast direction change's for the chicane's and good rotation speed help! A good motor is an advantage here,gearing with good settings are a must for safe motor temps,the track is not too hard to set up for so most drivers spend the day experimenting with speedos and gearing.Good brakes are a must! As put on another post new rubber has no grip advantage,so your oldies are fine as long as they ain't too thin. Has the track got any danger areas? Yes! come out of the chicane on the right of the rostrum too hot and air born off the blip dot and you will find a hard pit wall under the rostrum"ask Reuben  ". the second place for me is the first dog leg just after the rostrums short strait and right hander,Its a long bugger!!,the center apex is approx the length of Bashleys strait, down hill too! so you will be approaching this rather rapidly,Hit this center apex curb and you will be air born,not inches but feet into a reinforced Marshall point or go end over end on the tarmac "a personal experience  "....so give this a wide berth  |
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Post by ginge on May 16, 2011 11:00:57 GMT
Cheers for that les i'm all exited now Hmmmmm Beer!!! BBQ!!!
Now what was you going on about the track? ;D ;D ;D ;D
only joking mate, cheers for the info
Ginge
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Post by lesbaldry on May 16, 2011 11:40:05 GMT
If this is any help for a set up starting point(from your Bashleys normal).The last time I ran there was with the Photon (1350grm) at the BTCC last year with a good 13.5 A final result Hardish springs didn't seem to work well at all, the car was slid'ie with poor rotation,I ended up on HPI silvers and Blues but with heavier roll bars front and rear,Higher on the in board camber links,less droop,med wt damping with 5.5mm ride hight ,as theres no stop start corners a reduction in rear toe will help rotation speed as will a tighter diff (if the grips good) Parallel front toe or even a Little Neg will help stability as theres no tight hair pins, so front toe out is no advantage for turn in like our track,it will just make the car wonder on the very long high speed strait,not what you want at Warp 2  .....A gear diff may well be worth a try too!Ill be trying one. Good luck you will enjoy this track,we dont often get the chance to wring our cars top end speed If Ian Newtons 17.5 has been radar gunned at 51mph at Aldershot the 13.5s will be nearly doubling their Bashley top end speeds, me thinks around 55mph plus  60 plus for 10.5 and for Mods....wear a Nappy Reuben ;D I think the end of the strait with hard on the brakes will make West Londons "Butt clencher" feel snails pace! |
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Post by ginge on May 16, 2011 15:30:35 GMT
les where would start gearing wise?
ginge
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Post by lesbaldry on May 16, 2011 16:19:00 GMT
les where would start gearing wise? ginge Thats a hard one Ginge,For a start our speedo's are a little different from last years (produce more power) and so are some motors (D3) so its going to be a "suck it and see best guess"...I do think short technical track settings may not be the way to go,Turbo/boost points are probably going to be critical,as you know more timing produces heat and unfortunately so does this track as we are using full power longer more so than any other track. With your motor speedo combo I would prob go up two teeth initially from your west Londons FDR,leave the other settings alone,Run it,temp it and gear up till it reaches working temp (70/80C) then as long as the temps are ok but you are still getting "out draged" down the strait,go up one more tooth but lower the timing a little to kill the heat,this way you will be using the D3's torque rather than timing advance and RPM......Like you this will be the first thing ill be doing ( untill the grip comes up) then work on a final set up once im happy with speeds Just make sure you have the spur/pinion combo's to get into the low 6.0's,might be even high 5's if we play with torque |
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Post by Reuben on May 16, 2011 16:43:57 GMT
I dont know if my Adur 13.5 may help, but it will give you a starting point to move towards from a bashley setup.
gear the 13.5 around 6.6 and you will want to use almost all of the available timing on 211. But make sure you have it coming in slowly (no point it putting all the boost in before your halfway down the straight, because you will be labouring it to early).
So use most of the timing you have available with just over half coming from boost and the rest from turbo eg 36b/24t. Switch point arround 7000rpm, full throttle delay around 0.6, and set number 15 (degree/rpm) around 450/500.
this way you will start boosting at 7000rpm and keep adding timing all the way until 23,000rpm. and somewhere along that path the 24 extra degrees will be added after 0.6seconds of full power (about 1/4 way down the straight).
with that you may be out-grunted mid-range, but the D3's natural grunt should make up for it. else drop the start rpm to 6000 and number 15 to 400, but your boost range will then start at 6000 and end at 20,000rpm.
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Post by lesbaldry on May 16, 2011 16:59:39 GMT
with that you may be out-grunted mid-range, but the D3's natural grunt should make up for it. else drop the start rpm to 6000 and number 15 to 400, but your boost range will then start at 6000 and end at 20,000rpm. That might be a good starting point Reuben but what worries me with been "out grunted mid range" is the Cotswolds infield,unlike Adur theres no slow corners,its all flowing,the short strait under the rostrum is as long as Bashleys, the dog leg is longer and so is the mild chicane/strait befor the strait sweeper ,this is where mid range grunt will be needed in the taller gearing.....its going to be a hard one to get right and smooth especially for Ginge in super stock  I certainly felt my 10.5 D3 SP combo wasn't out horsed on the strait by any at west London and on the infield I felt I had the edge on any I raced with to the point of some top racers commenting "I had the mid range grunt of a Mod".....Lets hope my settings can help Ginge and Shaun in 13.5? if not your help would be appreciated as Ive had very little big track experience with that D3 wind,only Aldershot in winters low grip..on the day Ill sort Ginges chassis you sort his speed ,it will take a bit of pressure off me |
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Post by ginge on May 16, 2011 18:42:52 GMT
well boys it looks like you will be double teaming me ;D
cheers boys it looks like we all will be fiddling and tinkering on Saturday, so I'm glad we all will be in the same situation
Ginge
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Post by lesbaldry on May 16, 2011 18:56:03 GMT
This is purely my point of view.....Driving styles differ, throttle and brake applications differ as does ability .Example I would heat up a motor far quicker than Ginge would as I'm over a lap quicker(all due respects Ginge mate) With Ginge "so far" Ive been speeding him up slowly, I feel a too"grunty" profile would not do him any good at his stage, so transposing my faster settings to his speedo wont work,nore may it work on a driver of similar ability to mine, with a track like the Cotswolds theres no reason why he cant have the fun of massive top end yet importantly be smooth and drivable on the infield,a taller gearing than what I would use but with lower boosted settings using the torque to keep it smooth.....Like any of us he needs "personalized" settings...Dont worry Ginge it will get sorted between us ...even Shaun is finding a "less ramped up" speedo is an advantage to diveability and lap times. |
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Post by lesbaldry on May 17, 2011 16:19:27 GMT
PS to Cotswold Track newbys The approaching speeds on this track are insane,so if your car is dead or upside down on the track anywhere near the racing line please warn other drivers where you are!or you will be needing a dust pan and brush  |
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Post by lesbaldry on May 21, 2011 6:36:04 GMT
For those camping the long range forecast says sunshine all the way |
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Post by lesbaldry on May 24, 2011 6:08:06 GMT
Ive just had a report from Glen Westwood about the Cotswolds club meet Quite a few top racers turned up to test,but rain stopped play till the afternoon.Even though the track was still a bit green but dry top mods were lapping in the mid 17's with 10.5's low to mid 18's. Top mods were covering the strait in 2.5/3 secs Very little was changed from a west London set up and a drop of 0.5 on your west Londons FDR will be a good starting point,but turbo/boost points could be critical to a fast lap. Old rubber still works with no speed advantage to new! Good luck to all and I hope the showers are working this year! |
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Post by liampettit on May 27, 2011 21:03:44 GMT
good luck to all that are going and i hope everyone has a good/fun weekend!!  |
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Post by lesbaldry on May 30, 2011 9:03:38 GMT
i hope everyone has a good/fun weekend!! Apart from the rain It was ........Im knackered |
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Post by ginge on May 30, 2011 9:12:30 GMT
it was a awesome weekend. cheers les and Ian for the BBQ yummmm and for the help, it was near nearly a fantastic weekend Dam sensor lead  ;D Bring on Aldershot!! Well done to the youngs to!!! Ginge |
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Post by Reuben on May 30, 2011 10:44:47 GMT
A weekend of many thinking points and a real show of what is needed in Mod. for some bizzare reason I suffered with traction all day sunday compared to saturday and never really got it back after 2 DNF's in my qualifying. my car was awesome in a straight line but was really poor in the corners . As a ditch effort I completely changed the car for the last final and I got more rotation and better cornering so maybe some light at the end of the tunnel in 2 weeks time. However I did have a great weekend with some great company saturday/bbq/sunday. Thanks to everyone. |
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Post by martinchallis on May 30, 2011 13:36:43 GMT
much fun guys! my best run was on a damp track with slick tyres - the best thing about not finishing a lap in either finals was being able to watch a master class in overtaking by mr young! 2 great drives!
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Post by liampettit on May 30, 2011 13:44:11 GMT
what a amazing weekend, done my best qually was the first, the second didn't finish because i had put in a flat battery in my car, the last final was good and amazing race with les for most of the race, thanks for all the help plus a big thanks for my dad taking me up there
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Post by Martin Young on May 31, 2011 7:21:55 GMT
much fun guys! my best run was on a damp track with slick tyres - the best thing about not finishing a lap in either finals was being able to watch a master class in overtaking by mr young! 2 great drives! The damp track on the third qualifying scuppered our heat for sure. That said a drive from 10th to 2nd in the first final and 10th to 3rd in the second was great. The TC6 was perfect (not sure i have ever said that before) in fact all i wanted was more speed Mod anyone LOL!! ;D Lucas had a great result too (especially after the struggles at West London) so all in all a great meeting for the Young family ;D |
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Post by lesbaldry on May 31, 2011 17:30:44 GMT
Im Still knackered  ........roll on the Nats,I must remember some Red Bulls! Poor "old" Dave Clift is still feeling the nights after effects too and I bet Shaun's spine is still bent after sleeping in his cars bucket seats Yep that 3rd rounds shower did scupper a fews final S.O.B run. |
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Post by ginge on May 31, 2011 17:59:00 GMT
Its hard work being a pit B for me ;D ;D ;D ;D  Ginge |
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Post by lesbaldry on May 31, 2011 19:33:29 GMT
Its hard work being a pit B for me ;D ;D ;D ;D Ginge Nah peice of cake but I think Ians lost a stone or two looking after Shaun ....or was it the other way round |
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Post by shaun207 on May 31, 2011 23:06:43 GMT
was a resonable weekend , just disapointed with myself ! ! ( even thought of knocking it on the head for a while ) but have only got myself to blame .. but the banter made up for it , just wished i was more up for it !! , one thing i wouldnt recomened is sleeping in a 200sx , its not the most confortable car to kipp in ... but cheers all for the help .. |
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Post by martinchallis on Jun 1, 2011 18:29:19 GMT
get a tent shaun |
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Post by shaun207 on Jun 1, 2011 20:34:42 GMT
get a tent shaun yeah and its got 4 wheels |
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Post by jamietraylor on Jun 1, 2011 20:40:28 GMT
Cool tents on offer in asda at the mo £25
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". the second place for me is the first dog leg just after the rostrums short strait and right hander,Its a long bugger!!,the center apex is approx the length of Bashleys strait, down hill too! so you will be approaching this rather rapidly,Hit this center apex curb and you will be air born,not inches but feet into a reinforced Marshall point or go end over end on the tarmac "a personal experience 
"....so give this a wide berth 
.....A gear diff may well be worth a try too!Ill be trying one.
60 plus for 10.5 and for Mods....wear a Nappy Reuben ;D I think the end of the strait with hard on the brakes will make West Londons "Butt clencher" feel snails pace! 
;D Bring on Aldershot!!
........roll on the Nats,I must remember some Red Bulls! Poor "old" Dave Clift is still feeling the nights after effects too 