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Post by lesbaldry on Jul 25, 2008 9:54:08 GMT
Another reply from the man in the know - suggests the Novak would be the one to go for - We'll have to see what Les finds with the speed passion on Sunday Matt Matt are your findings based apon perfomance or durability?? If the Novak or speed passion prove to be close or as fast as a well tweaked 27t,good,briliant a win win situation we then can all match the super fast 27t . I doubt if they will prove to be faster than a tuned 27 as that would mean they should match a 13.5,I dont think so do you!! Novak would never make a 17.5 that could match their own 13.5!
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 25, 2008 11:20:59 GMT
I doubt if they will prove to be faster than a tuned 27 as that would mean they should match a 13.5,I dont think so do you!! Novak would never make a 17.5 that could match their own 13.5! Does Novak make the best 10.5 or is there a better one?
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Post by lesbaldry on Jul 25, 2008 11:29:23 GMT
I doubt if they will prove to be faster than a tuned 27 as that would mean they should match a 13.5,I dont think so do you!! Novak would never make a 17.5 that could match their own 13.5! Does Novak make the best 10.5 or is there a better one? Blimey a brushless question Pete ..I think you will find the Novak is the most used in both classes,I prefer them,they seem slightly better on the long tracks compared to my others,only down side they can be slightly more expensive than some and the fixed sensor lead could ruin your day if damaged,touch wood , I hav'nt damaged one yet and I've been running Novaks from day one,Im not keen on their speedos though!!...ask around though Pete...The Staples,Mark T,Matt H also seem to prefer them but that may well be the Dunning-Kruger syndrome!! ;D
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 25, 2008 12:24:57 GMT
Interesting I was pondering decisions seen on best of breed rather than an integrated solution, one manufacturer for engine/speedo, I presume integrated must potentially remove problems, although performannce aside, ease of use and functionality could sway to a different ESC. Don't panic Les, I am just drawing up a short list to keep an eye on over the next 6 months until classes for 2009 are clarified by the various bodies.
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Post by lesbaldry on Jul 25, 2008 12:42:24 GMT
Interesting I was pondering decisions seen on best of breed rather than an integrated solution, one manufacturer for engine/speedo, I presume integrated must potentially remove problems, although performannce aside, ease of use and functionality could sway to a different ESC. Don't panic Les, I am just drawing up a short list to keep an eye on over the next 6 months until classes for 2009 are clarified by the various bodies. Yep no prob pete,It would be nice to see nipper with a good BL system though!..at the moment it does seem racers mix n match speedos to motors for various reasons,relability/ease of use?..but if you are in no hurry hang back no doubt somthing new will pop up..todays trend seems to favor LRP/Nosram speedos and Novak/Speed Passion /Orion motors Todays mix n match method has been proven to work with these makes over the past year or so ,there is always a risk of trying somthing brand new!!
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Post by Simon Crabb on Jul 27, 2008 21:25:47 GMT
How did it (the Speed Passion 17.5) go today Les? We're waiting with baited breath! What ratios did you try? It was clearly quick enough, again, 17.5 were looking very similar to 27Ts.
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Post by keitheroonie on Jul 27, 2008 21:34:31 GMT
How did it go Les? We're waiting with baited breath! What ratios did you try? It was clearly quick enough, again, 17.5 were looking very similar to 27Ts. They sure were, I couldn't believe how closely matched Craig and Les were for speed, after a little coaching by Les they were almost identical. Carefully though Les, if he gets any quicker you'll be chasing him ;D
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 21:53:45 GMT
It was clearly quick enough, again, 17.5 were looking very similar to 27Ts. Was that before or after the 17.5 lapped the British U14 Junior 27T champion ;D
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 21:56:19 GMT
Seriously, Les you looked a bit quicker on the straight today from RRC 2 weeks ago - gearing change? Equally Craig could have been a tad slower, I geared him down due to the heat.
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Post by number1dan on Jul 27, 2008 22:14:51 GMT
before or after chris's 17.5 lapped les? honestly craig, hyperthetically ur already 2 laps down, pick up the pace ur not champion for nothing! lol ;D ;D
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Post by keitheroonie on Jul 27, 2008 22:20:18 GMT
It's not what you've got it's what you do with it that counts, that's what the wife believes anyway, um! well that's what I told her ;D
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 22:22:38 GMT
;D ;D ;D (Craig's in bed Dan - said he needed to get in shape for next Sunday
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 22:24:07 GMT
It's not what you've got it's what you do with it that counts, that's what the wife believes anyway, um! well that's what I told her ;D We're obviously in the wrong place then Keith!
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Post by keitheroonie on Jul 27, 2008 22:35:12 GMT
It doesn't matter where you are as long as you enjoy it, that's what she tells me ;D
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Post by mattsedgley on Jul 27, 2008 22:39:50 GMT
Sorry to be pestering for yet more info!
Les what did your FDR end up at with the Speed Passion Chris what was your FDR with the Novak
I'm unsure which one to go for - my mind swings towards the novak, although if the speed passion is much easier to gear to then that'd probably sway my mind!
Matt
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 22:40:34 GMT
You missed me Keith, not here, I've gone to another room
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 22:41:52 GMT
Do you mind Matt, Keith and I are having an intelligent conversation
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Post by keitheroonie on Jul 27, 2008 22:45:56 GMT
I always take about that long to "go to another room" as well, masters we are
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 22:50:15 GMT
Careful Keith there is an invisible of board, definitely a disturbance in the force, could be Col
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Post by keitheroonie on Jul 27, 2008 22:53:23 GMT
Or that mischievous Mr Crabb, infact I can see a dressing down coming on for using the wrong thread. Sorry Mr Crabb ;D but I must keep ahead of Sedgley with my posts
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 22:57:38 GMT
meesa goin', checkin da comms 'n soldrin dem bushes
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 27, 2008 22:59:02 GMT
Sorry Mr Crabb ;D but I must keep ahead of Sedgley with my posts oh da da da , 207, prize!
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Post by keitheroonie on Jul 27, 2008 22:59:29 GMT
I would polish your bushes and solder you brushes if I were you
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Post by ukcmf on Jul 28, 2008 6:11:06 GMT
Does Novak make the best 10.5 or is there a better one? also seem to prefer them but that may well be the Dunning-Kruger syndrome!! ;D Ok enough now...that was never aimed at you as you very well know Col
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Post by lesbaldry on Jul 28, 2008 7:10:12 GMT
Firstly Pete Nippers car was looking a bit of a hand full,even he stated it was'nt up to par?..the so called slight speed advantage was due to a certain line that I was showing him while we were play racing , once he found it "and it surprised him" he kept up with my better handeling car..this might have given people the impresion yesterday and in the past the 17.5 is quicker down the strait ??...this line allows you to plant the power early,use the slope as a catapult and gain at least 10/15 feet on the other car by the time you reach the end of the strait...dam hard to get right though,nomaly 1 in 4 laps for me ;D LRP v Speed Passion....both motors ended up with a safe FDR of 3.6/3.8,as did the Novak "acording to Chris"...Performance between the two for our track..nothing in it ,no advantage to either!!..as for the Novaks perfomance Im still not sure ,at one point yesterday Chris did seem to catch us but we were play racing,but when I ran with Chris the Speed Passion matched the Novaks punch and top end. Personaly If I were to race 17.5s at our track I would be happy to use and race against any of them ,feeling happy that any of the other drivers wont have any advantage apart from set up and ability. So the choice is yours,the Novak may prove to have "the legs" prehaps at other tracks??..who knows?? Motors do differ regardless brushed or not ,so any one buying a 17.5 may have a faster/slower motor..but I dont expect by much. For those who are going brushless prehaps for SLCC reasons? for me the 17.5 makes for a good sunday funday motor for those who want to learn set up/racing lines without the silly pro stock speed and the hassel of batteling with a frozen snot drop while skiming on a winters day ;D Ps, Col, previous post understood!
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Post by Simon Crabb on Jul 28, 2008 8:40:53 GMT
Thanks Les, great feedback, a bit of a shame the Speed Passion didn't come out at slightly more manageable FDRs, but never mind!
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Post by lesbaldry on Jul 28, 2008 11:02:11 GMT
Seriously, Les you looked a bit quicker on the straight today from RRC 2 weeks ago - gearing change? Equally Craig could have been a tad slower, I geared him down due to the heat. No ratio changes both motors were back to backed and temp checked for a safe FDR, both ended up the same....3.55 to be exact but thats for my driving style ....3.7/3.8 I feel is a safe starting point Pete recall the time a little while ago nipper was given me a hard time during quallys,for the finals I popped in one of my fast 27t' and left him? rember the PM's we had the following day"I said to you if It was'nt for my motor nipper would have won!!" Matt H has raced against my other fast 27 and should recall very well he could not get any where near it and I class matt as a very good stock driver, beter than me "when his heads not up his bum and his cars working!!"LOL Matt I dont want to use these motors to prove a point ,nor do I want to upset any one ,only to find a good fair entry level BL that we can all enjoy on "sunday fundays"....keep the serious stuff for the SLCC Besides an exra 10/15 feet on the strait can be the diierence between a gummy tight transmision compared to a well maintained transmisson In stock..fact!!
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Post by yellowshark on Jul 28, 2008 11:38:27 GMT
Seriously, Les you looked a bit quicker on the straight today from RRC 2 weeks ago - gearing change? Equally Craig could have been a tad slower, I geared him down due to the heat. No ratio changes both motors were back to backed and temp checked for a safe FDR, both ended up the same....3.55 to be exact but thats for my driving style ....3.7/3.8 I feel is a safe starting point Les does one gear 17.5s differently to 13.5/10.5s I have heard figures of 5.0 being mooted around in the pits
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Post by Chris N on Jul 28, 2008 11:44:33 GMT
What a fun days racing!...I never thought I would be able to keep up with Les but it is possible using BL 17.5's!!! Car handling was a bit off and the early tires I used were totaly shot...a big bald patch appeared on one of them. Then Tried a revvy 27T which seemd to keep up with Les on the straight. I think when I went back to BL with a different set of tires thats when I had the edge ...only slightly though.
The FDR of the Novak! was 60/37 x 2.2 = 3.567567568 according to my calculator. Didnt want to go any higher due to the temperature yesterday and the next pinion down was a 33 so left the same gearing all day.
I have finally found some use for all those big pinions/small spurs that I got for Calshot!
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Post by Chris N on Jul 28, 2008 11:53:48 GMT
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