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Nov 12, 2008 9:41:31 GMT
Post by yellowshark on Nov 12, 2008 9:41:31 GMT
Keith what is the difference/implications between single class and separate class
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Nov 12, 2008 10:10:55 GMT
Post by Simon Crabb on Nov 12, 2008 10:10:55 GMT
From my race directing I know that a class creates a championship points table.
So a single class would have one championship table, but separate classes would have more than one.
Combining classes means they are raced together in the same heats and finals, ON THE DAY.
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Nov 12, 2008 11:57:36 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 12, 2008 11:57:36 GMT
pete, the advantages of having seperate classes is that you don't have to compete for championship points against a faster car and you'll have a better chance of finishing in a good position, the downside is if you change from brushed to brushless half way through the championship, it would mean you wouldn't complete enough rounds in either class to qualify.
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Nov 12, 2008 12:22:30 GMT
Post by yellowshark on Nov 12, 2008 12:22:30 GMT
If we have separate classes for 27T and 17.5 do I read it correctly that Craig and Ross are guaranteed trophies and that they can split the 3rd place one between them? ;D
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Nov 12, 2008 13:22:58 GMT
Post by oldtimeracer on Nov 12, 2008 13:22:58 GMT
You know for a moment there I thought this was going to be a serious discussion. Silly me.
On a technical point. With any of the Championships in whatever guise is eventually voted for, will a certain number of meetings/races have to be completed to actually qualify for trophies/points/places at the end of the series.
I mean if I was to only do 2 of the races in a particular series and still finished in the top three would I still qualify for trophy/position etc.
In my humble opinion ther should be a minimum number of races completed to qualify.
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Nov 12, 2008 13:45:33 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 12, 2008 13:45:33 GMT
yes indeed there is ian. At the moment the way it stands is: if you complete the required amounts of rounds ie. 8 of 12 etc you will receive a trophy with your finishing position, whatever that may be. However if you don't complete the required amount of rounds you wont receive anything regardless of finishing position.
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Nov 12, 2008 14:03:50 GMT
Post by oldtimeracer on Nov 12, 2008 14:03:50 GMT
Good. Just the way it should be.
Thanks Keith.
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Nov 12, 2008 18:20:46 GMT
Post by Simon Crabb on Nov 12, 2008 18:20:46 GMT
Regarding item 6 ========== 1/10 Touring Car Motor class (Item 6) Option (1) 27 and 17.5 as stock (combined but as separate classes), 13.5 as super stock (combined with prostock if insufficient numbers but still as separate class) 19 and 10.5 as pro stock (combined but as separate classes). Option (2) 27, 17.5 as stock (combined but as separate classes) 13.5, 19 and 10.5 as pro stock (combined but as separate classes). Option (3) 27, 17.5 as stock (single class) 13.5, 19 and 10.5 as pro stock (single class) Option (4) 17.5 as stock 27 and 13.5 as super stock (combined but as separate classes) 19 and 10.5 as pro stock (combined but as separate classes) ========
Following comments, and some further thought, I want to vote for something that's not on the list!
I therefore propose:
Option (5) 27 and 17.5 as stock (single class) 13.5 as super stock (single class - combined on the day if required) 19 and 10.5 as pro stock (single class)
I think it's important to clarify that a class is a champtionship points class - ie 'off the track'. Whilst a 'grouping' (ie what's on the same line) is what gets put together in a heat 'on the track'.
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Nov 12, 2008 18:30:38 GMT
Post by Reuben on Nov 12, 2008 18:30:38 GMT
option 5 is one i would vote for btw......
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Nov 12, 2008 19:14:47 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 12, 2008 19:14:47 GMT
ok cool. I like your thinking. Consider it included. It's a little late to alter the letter as they've been put in the envelopes already but i will alter the post on the forum as soon as i get back from work.
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Nov 12, 2008 20:13:45 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 12, 2008 20:13:45 GMT
OK I've ammended the agenda in the other AGM thread. Please feel free to add posts here if there's anything else you would like to propose.
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Nov 13, 2008 9:35:46 GMT
Post by oldtimeracer on Nov 13, 2008 9:35:46 GMT
In the event of an SHMCC member being unable to attend the AGM, will they be allowed a vote still on the proposals put forward and if so how will their votes be logged.
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Nov 13, 2008 11:22:34 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 13, 2008 11:22:34 GMT
Everyone should have a chance to vote on club matters whether they attend the AGM or not. So what i'll do is set up some voting polls to include all the options on this forum. I know it's not ideal as it may not reach everybody but it'll help. I'm sure by the time we count up both sets of votes we'll know what the majority want.
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Nov 13, 2008 11:49:24 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 13, 2008 11:49:24 GMT
Everyone should have a chance to vote on club matters whether they attend the AGM or not. So what i'll do is set up some voting polls to include all the options on this forum. I know it's not ideal as it may not reach everybody but it'll help. I'm sure by the time we count up both sets of votes we'll know what the majority want.
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Nov 13, 2008 12:25:23 GMT
Post by ukcmf on Nov 13, 2008 12:25:23 GMT
Everyone should have a chance to vote on club matters whether they attend the AGM or not. So what i'll do is set up some voting polls to include all the options on this forum. I know it's not ideal as it may not reach everybody but it'll help. I'm sure by the time we count up both sets of votes we'll know what the majority want. Will the online voters be crossed referenced with the membership database so only SHMCC members get a vote and they dont vote online as well as on the night? Col
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Nov 13, 2008 12:43:16 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 13, 2008 12:43:16 GMT
Yes, we'll have a record of all users who have voted and the ip address they posted from. So no cheating or posting under other users names anyone .
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Nov 13, 2008 17:33:51 GMT
Post by ukcmf on Nov 13, 2008 17:33:51 GMT
Good oh.... Wouldnt want the Yateley crew invading and insisting on Lipo sacks for every eventuality )
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Nov 13, 2008 23:13:38 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 13, 2008 23:13:38 GMT
I'll put the polls up 7 days before the AGM, so everyone can have plenty of time to decide before they vote.
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Nov 15, 2008 14:24:07 GMT
Post by yellowshark on Nov 15, 2008 14:24:07 GMT
Good oh.... Wouldnt want the Yateley crew invading and insisting on Lipo sacks for every eventuality ) Good point Col! Just as well I got rid of one of mine otherwise I would have felt compelled to vote for it
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Nov 15, 2008 14:28:53 GMT
Post by yellowshark on Nov 15, 2008 14:28:53 GMT
You know for a moment there I thought this was going to be a serious discussion. Silly me. . Quite right Ian a very serious discussion. Does one spend £500 and get no trophies or spend zero and get trophies As Confucious says, "Fun passes by the vanquished"
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Nov 20, 2008 7:33:40 GMT
Post by keitheroonie on Nov 20, 2008 7:33:40 GMT
Hi Keith I realy dont want to start a debate here but I propose that should we have a wet meet and the 13.5 and 10.5 become separate classes that we allow a 19t to be run in either as a substitute motor?...I think we all agree the 19t is very slightly faster than a 13.5 but not as fast as a 10.5 so to me there would be very little no advantage in the wet ...sorry if this complicates things some...Race directors call on the day perhaps? Post moved here to save confusion. Sounds good Les, what do the rest of you think
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Nov 20, 2008 9:14:12 GMT
Post by Simon Crabb on Nov 20, 2008 9:14:12 GMT
I think that event is catered for, in any class you can always 'drop back' and use the motors from the class below. So in 13.5 if a brushed alternative is required there is one - 27T from the class below.
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Nov 20, 2008 10:00:39 GMT
Post by lesbaldry on Nov 20, 2008 10:00:39 GMT
I think that event is catered for, in any class you can always 'drop back' and use the motors from the class below. So in 13.5 if a brushed alternative is required there is one - 27T from the class below. Me thinks too bigger power drop Simon ?...I very much doubt if the standing water situation will arise as we dont normaly run,but there will only be a prob if the 13.5 and 10.5 are separated..ie 10.5/19t ....and 13.5 only class Personaly I dont mind runing my 13.5 with 10.5 and if someone want to run a 19t in wet conditions against me I dont mind either,in those sort of conditions any minor advantage would be next to nil,but I think a substitute drop back to 27t wll be too much?(allready with 17.5?) To be honest if it's that wet I would'nt run in a club day anyway but some 13.5 runners may feel its too damp "to risk" and will still want to have compedative top speed an old 19t seems fair too me?....your thoughts chaps?
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Nov 20, 2008 13:34:24 GMT
Post by yellowshark on Nov 20, 2008 13:34:24 GMT
I think that event is catered for, in any class you can always 'drop back' and use the motors from the class below. So in 13.5 if a brushed alternative is required there is one - 27T from the class below. Me thinks too bigger power drop Simon ?...I very much doubt if the standing water situation will arise as we dont normaly run,but there will only be a prob if the 13.5 and 10.5 are separated..ie 10.5/19t ....and 13.5 only class Personaly I dont mind runing my 13.5 with 10.5 and if someone want to run a 19t in wet conditions against me I dont mind either,in those sort of conditions any minor advantage would be next to nil,but I think a substitute drop back to 27t wll be too much?(allready with 17.5?) To be honest if it's that wet I would'nt run in a club day anyway but some 13.5 runners may feel its too damp "to risk" and will still want to have compedative top speed an old 19t seems fair too me?....your thoughts chaps? Concept sweet; as always devil is in the detail. I assume a 13.5 runner, using a 19t on a "damp" day, is competing for 13.5 class points. So it needs to be all or nobody as directed by the race director I assume. Or if you disagree with the Race Director and want to run brushed, you compete for 19T points that day thus avoiding an unfair competitive advantage. Does our race control software handle all this?? Presumably same would apply to 17.5 also?
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Nov 20, 2008 13:39:53 GMT
Post by Simon Crabb on Nov 20, 2008 13:39:53 GMT
I agree that 27T is less power than 13.5, but in wet conditions that could be an advantage!
I'm just looking from the viewpoint of having one clear rule for all conditions, without that rule changing with the weather.
eg: what happens if the meeting becomes wet, you then suddenly can use a motor in a class that you can't normally? Seems a bit of a can of worms to me - unnecessary complexity for the few occasions that it could ever apply.
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Nov 20, 2008 14:11:17 GMT
Post by TryHard on Nov 20, 2008 14:11:17 GMT
Agreed.... IMO, classes should be for "up to" fastest motor allowed... just beacuse you choose to use something slower doesn't mean you have to run a lower class... K.I.S.S Isn't this all a bit of a moot point at the moment, as the classes for next year have yet to be decided?
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Nov 20, 2008 14:21:11 GMT
Post by lesbaldry on Nov 20, 2008 14:21:11 GMT
eg: what happens if the meeting becomes wet, you then suddenly can use a motor in a class that you can't normally? Seems a bit of a can of worms to me - unnecessary complexity for the few occasions that it could ever apply. Yep I agree...It all depends apon the class vote Simon I supose,the wet risk situation may well arise so what would people suggest is a fair brushed wind to run in these rare conditions with 13.5? bearing in mind a 19t's power lays somewhere between 10.5 and 13.5?.. Bugger, I hate this transition period,its hard to be fair and even more difficult to sort out..just thinking of those who want to race but wont risk it,but need to be compedative! Correct Ed the classes have yet to be sorted ,but what happens if 10.5 and 13.5 are split,do you really think a 27t will keep up with a 13.5 on a damp day?....Ideal situation is 10.5/13.5/19t as one class,prob solved, but I dont think some will allow it..plus its no good thinking about this once the classes are set!
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Nov 20, 2008 14:41:05 GMT
Post by Robin Howett on Nov 20, 2008 14:41:05 GMT
Some people who have raced 27t brushed will have gone brushless and may have a 13.5. This year just a few months ago infact 27t and 13.5 were 'stock' in the SLCC so i think if you going to have a go to brushed motor in the 13.5 class it's the 27T. This stops any smart @rse running a brushed 19t motor in the dry against 13.5 and saying well its 'abit damp'.
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Nov 20, 2008 15:01:26 GMT
Post by lesbaldry on Nov 20, 2008 15:01:26 GMT
This stops any smart @rse running a brushed 19t motor in the dry against 13.5 and saying well its 'abit damp'. That did go through my mind Rob(race directors call on previous post)..but i was hoping we are all sporting .as I said I dont give a dam how the classes pan out but some one may winge Its too damp and his 27t wont keep up with 13.5s....Lets hope it stays dry and if it rains its toooo wet to race ;D LOL
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Nov 20, 2008 19:31:38 GMT
Post by yellowshark on Nov 20, 2008 19:31:38 GMT
Has this one gone off track? Les was suggesting using a faster motor not a slower motor in his original post; ie swapping from 13.5 to 19T.
I suspect the easiest but maybe most unpopular route would be.
If the race director calls a dry race and you don't want to run brushless then you race but don't score points.
If it becomes wet during the meeting nothing changes and if you at any stage run brushed, again you score no points irrespective of if the situation changes back to dry.
If the Race Director calls a wet race it stays that way and you can't change; ooow this is getting complicated.
Simple solution vote for two classes Pro-stock(10.5/13.5/19T) and Stock (17.5/27T); then this problem is no longer a problem,as you can run brushless or brushed in both classes. And it gets rid of the overtaking problem too ;D
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