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Post by lesbaldry on Oct 6, 2008 11:25:11 GMT
I ran my 008 in so called carpet rubber spec last wed but the grip on these settings was very poor compared to the other cars who were running rubber, the only way I could get the on the pace was to use foams"a distinct advantage"
My set up was slightly harder on springs,higher roll centers ,low ride hight (4mm) with very little droop 6/5,
Ed does not change much from his tarmac set up,should I have stuck to close to my outdoor setting or am i missing something?
Unfortunately there is not much time on a wed night to experiment with set up and if someone could give this "not often carpet racer" a few pointers I would be great full.
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Post by Reuben on Oct 6, 2008 11:59:41 GMT
i am also interested in this aswell, as when i ran carpet i found the harder springs a little better, but less droop gave a better speed but less grip.
I shall be there wednesday - same setup as sundays (little change to gearing...aka back to 3.7/3.8, but how should i keep the punch? set it higher or lower?) I assume lower to keep grip when punching out of corners.
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Post by lesbaldry on Oct 6, 2008 12:58:26 GMT
i am also interested in this aswell, as when i ran carpet i found the harder springs a little better, but less droop gave a better speed but less grip. I shall be there wednesday - same setup as sundays (little change to gearing...aka back to 3.7/3.8, but how should i keep the punch? set it higher or lower?) I assume lower to keep grip when punching out of corners. Reubs I hope you are not running that FDR indoors mate??..if this is any clue I normaly run 4.7 outdoors with a10.5 and 6.4 indoors(info from the other 10.5 lads)...17.5 indoors might be 5.2 ish with mid punch to be safe?? |
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Post by TryHard on Oct 6, 2008 15:12:44 GMT
When I ran the 415, stiffer springs were called for, along with slightly higher roll centres (especially on a big track in stock.. corner speed is king!), and heavier oils. Having said that, with the 416, all I ended up doing over my bashley setup was changing tyres (vtec27's), moving the rear shocks in one hole on the rear, and lowering the ride height (down to 5/5.5 from 5.5/6). That was it, honest. I did try other things out during the night, but that's what I ended up on. I think the biggest thing is getting the right tyres (when is it not?)... I tried the Vtec 24's in the first round last wed, and whilst they had loads of grip, made the car feel like it was binding up mid corner. For the rest of the meeting I broke out the Vtec 27's.. still, IMO, the best carpet tyre (I'm yet to be proved other wise). Sorex 32's, again IMO, with their big air gap, take too long to heat up, confounded by the harder compound. V27's just seem to strike that great balance between quick heat-up, but without overheating towards the end of the run. Hopefully I'll get to try the Jaco blues at some point soon... apparently were very good over at the IIC in vegas (plus they look good as they are premounts with spokes!!  ) Think my gearing was 6.2ish on the speed passion. I actualy tried it with a bigger pinion, and less punch, but prefered it smaller pinion/more punch... then again, I always quite liked revvy motors. As for the 008... I would be more tempted to start out with your tarmac settings, then go from there. |
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Post by Martin Young on Oct 6, 2008 15:53:31 GMT
I’m not sure I can help too much between an indoor and an outdoor set up as of yet  , but from the various set-ups I tried at Bashley when you guy’s were racing at the SLCC I have found that the indoor set up seems to work OK outside with some changes. The thing’s I ended up changing were as follows: Ride height Indoors 5mm front /5.5mm rear, Outdoors 6mm front /6.5mm rear Droop Indoors 6.5 Front 5.5 rear (The Yokomo works very well indoors with very little droop) Outdoors 6 Front 4 rear Outdoors I run the same springs indoors and outdoors HPI Pinks and Silvers but I will run roll bars all round indoors, the car however outside was much better with the roll bars removed, so the car will be stiffer indoors because of this. I run RP30 tyres indoors and have always found them good but to be honest I haven’t ever run Vtec 27’s but from Ed’s comments I think I might give them a whirl at some point  . At the moment I have left everything else as is between the two set ups, but just consider when I was testing on my own I could have been a couple of seconds of the pace per lap and not known but the car did feel a lot better. I hope to find out this Sunday how competitive it is . |
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Post by lesbaldry on Oct 6, 2008 16:15:05 GMT
Thanks Ed,Martin that should give me a pointer in the right direction,sorry about the legal cheat with foams last week,believe me the 008 was really bad(drift racer) I had no choice or time but too use foams just to have a decent race with you lot  |
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Post by Reuben on Oct 6, 2008 16:28:58 GMT
Les i ran that my first wednesday and it was coming off at 45 max.
ill monitor it this wed, may try 4.7 (same gearing as 13.5 outdoors) but we will see.
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Post by Martin Young on Oct 6, 2008 16:34:20 GMT
Les i ran that my first wednesday and it was coming off at 45 max. ill monitor it this wed, may try 4.7 (same gearing as 13.5 outdoors) but we will see. On a small track like New Milton you probably can run that sort of gearing without too much motor temperature, but IMO the motor will work much beter and punchier at the gearing Les has mentioned. I ran my 13.5 at 5.5 to start with (motor temp about 40 - 45 deg) but now I'm running at 6.0 and the car is definately faster out of the corners. |
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Post by Simon Crabb on Oct 6, 2008 16:49:35 GMT
Think my gearing was 6.2ish on the speed passion. I actualy tried it with a bigger pinion, and less punch, but prefered it smaller pinion/more punch... then again, I always quite liked revvy motors. Crazy Bob popped his Orion 10.5 last time he ran on a Wednesday. Don't know what gearing he was running though. No fan...  |
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Post by Reuben on Oct 6, 2008 17:32:39 GMT
btw, im talking about the 17.5, not 13.5....
but yeh ill give it a go at 4.6's
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Post by TryHard on Oct 6, 2008 19:34:10 GMT
Thanks Ed,Martin that should give me a pointer in the right direction,sorry about the legal cheat with foams last week,believe me the 008 was really bad(drift racer) I had no choice or time but too use foams just to have a decent race with you lot Hey Les, couldn't give two hoots what you ran... had a good race with you and jammie anyway, apart from properly binning it in the second final and throwing away the win, still... Very hectic with a 10.5 on such a small track, really about the limit for there  |
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Post by lesbaldry on Oct 6, 2008 20:39:07 GMT
Thanks Ed,Martin that should give me a pointer in the right direction,sorry about the legal cheat with foams last week,believe me the 008 was really bad(drift racer) I had no choice or time but too use foams just to have a decent race with you lot Hey Les, couldn't give two hoots what you ran... had a good race with you and jammie anyway, apart from properly binning it in the second final and throwing away the win, still... Very hectic with a 10.5 on such a small track, really about the limit for there Thanks Ed....just a thought,13,5 may be a bit tamer to drive"especially for us old,uns" Martin has one,not sure about Jamie,we could come to some sort of gentlemens agreement to run them or if you run 13,5 use foams 10,5 rubber,your choice not a rule..should make for some interesting diceing and overtaking moves "just a thought";D |
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Post by lesbaldry on Oct 7, 2008 8:28:54 GMT
Ok Ed,Martin..my best Bashley set up is back on the 008 with your recomendations dialed in...Lets hope it works or Ill be all over your cars like a rash checking set ups ;D...failing that Ill sneak the foams back on when your not looking |
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Post by Martin Young on Oct 7, 2008 9:23:29 GMT
Don't know if it will help but my indoor setup is posted on the SHMCC website.
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Post by TryHard on Oct 7, 2008 9:30:28 GMT
probably not anytime soon on wed again, it was only really a stroke of luck that I managed to get there last week..  |
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Post by lesbaldry on Oct 7, 2008 9:58:12 GMT
probably not anytime soon on wed again, it was only really a stroke of luck that I managed to get there last week.. Thats a shame..I might pop a 13.5 in and have a battle with martin then?..I dont think ill be able to catch Jamie on rubber tomorrow |
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, but from the various set-ups I tried at Bashley when you guy’s were racing at the SLCC I have found that the indoor set up seems to work OK outside with some changes.
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