GT10 Class?

[mattsedgley]

Looking at the SLCC threads on RCracechat, there's quite a lot of talk about this gt10 class..

It seems to be popular at tracks like Aldershot, and Adur, and whilst at present, wont count towards the championship; Perhaps the organisers will allow it.
Which will in turn make it another large scoring points class;

So....

What do we know!? does anyone have one? has anyone tried one? What's the class rules??

Are we interested in running these at Bashley??

Matt

[lesbaldry]

GT 10,theres always a risk of diluting what we already have but there is no reason why they could not be ran with the 17.5's.Personaly I like them,the different body shells look good on the track plus been 2wd they are a real drivers class...thoughts??

[Martin Young]

Just a thought if any ones looking at running a GT10 is it possible to mix with F1's??

I know a couple of members now have direct drive F1's very similar in design to the GT10 class. ;D

I do as Les say's, agree that it has to be managed carefully as not to dilute the classes already run.

[Reuben]

Personally I would not be interested in running one. But would like to see them running at bashley.

Yeh I dont see why pro10's cant be run with F1's. As long as each other do not mind.

Obviously there would need to be at least 4/5 for a seperate class. otherwise theres no reason they cant be mixed in with touring cars. For championship meetings they would have to run as a seperate class and not get championship points - unless there were enough turning up for a championship.

thoughts?

Worth noting (im sure you guys already know). If you have an electric RC on-road car/bike and want to race it arround the track, dont feel put off as its not a conventional class. We will accomadate everyone as much as we can

[mattsedgley]

I'm not interested in running one, but i'd like to see them run at the club!

I suppose it all depends on how many we get, if any! Let's see what the spring brings then!

[Martin Young]

In the new year i would like to run the F1 around (sorry for thread jacking)

I don't care about championships or even who i'm racing against. Just want to run it around for fun

I hope seeing this type of car run may interest others. They are without doubt a real drivers car and IMO lots of fun ;D

[Reuben]

awesome, look forward to seeing it. Rumor has it a Mr Challis will be running his indoors on the third. You guys around?

end on thread hi-jack

[mattsedgley]

Terry is talking about running one too.. so there could be three atleast!

I think there may be a fourth floating around in the club!

[ian]

I've not raced out doors for about 10 years and want to get back into it on a sunday, personally I'd love to see an F1 class, not so fussed about championship points but aside that being able to race F1 cars would make me go out and buy one if there were going to be enough people to compete, I'd settle for a GT10 though.

Can anyone say if there is going to be a dedicated class for these ? Surely if there was people would be more encouraged to buy the cars ?

[mattsedgley]

Hi Ian,

Firstly nice to meet you, and welcome to the forum!

I'm not sure I can put your name with a face, although Ian isn't much of a give away

We're happy for anyone to run whatever they like at our club meetings provided it's electric and is capable of racing on our size track!

Generally for any type of vehicle to have it's own dedicated heat we need 4 cars to turn up,

If we regularly have a heat of GT10 or F1 at our track then at the start of the next championship we'll consider running a dedicated class in that championship for them.

I look forward to meeting you

Kind regards

Matt
On behalf of the Committee

[Dean]

For the F1 car what motor would have to be in the car and would they be run indoors ?

[darrenoakley]

I personally would love to see F1 race indoors they look so real. Do they have the same set up options as touring car ?

There is a few videos of them on you tube.

Sorry not really GT10 though maybe start a new one on F1 ?

[mattsedgley]

They're vastly different from tourers,

2wd for a start off, the motor is mounted in a pod at the back of the car, there's one shock between this and the rest of the chassis. All brakes are obviously run through the rear wheels also. up front I think the king pin has a coil over spring to act as front suspension.

Martin C has one and commented that the tyres were very expensive but I've not checked personally...

I guess before we decide on a class limit, we'd need to see what other clubs are doing etc.. although perhaps to keep the cost down, the clash sealed can motors would be a good starting point.. it's £109 for the HPI kit from Terry so it'd almost fit into the "eco" brief wouldn't it!?

Cant see why they couldnt be run indoors, but bear in mind we have ropes that like to drag cars in, and you'll have sticky outy wheels and wishbones!

[Reuben]

Well the HPI F1 challenge this year is putting the motor as a HPI Saturn 27t, which funnily enough, I own one of these motors and they are very slow in the TC (was my first ever motor and only got used at one bashley sunday). however they may be ideal in the F1? I dont mind bringing it and letting one of the F1 drivers use it Sunday 3rd to test its speed indoors?

[mattsedgley]

Perhaps we should test outdoors? 13.5/10.5/17.5 can all be made to lap within a 10th of each other indoors in the right hands...

Shall we organise a bit of an expo heat outdoors in February?

[ian]

Dec 28, 2009 17:02:22 GMT @mattsedgley said:

I'm not sure I can put your name with a face, although Ian isn't much of a give away

Well everyone seems to remember my YOKomo ( lol see what I did there ) creme egg touring car shell so I've used that as me avatar for now.

I've done a bit with the mini's over the last 12 months with the help of an old school mate but really hated them so selling all that. New job is only going to leave me free on sundays hence want to get back into the outdoor stuff. So really glad other people are interested !

To be honest I'd rather do F1 than the GT cars, the kits are cheaper for starters ;D and I love the fact that we can paint them like real ones of past or present, how impressive will a grid of those look ?

No idea as to what motors are going to be best or how much the tires are but maybe we could have control tire and motors on them that way keeping costs the same for everyone and also making it more of a driver event than the amount you can spend on kit...

I know HPI have just made one available but tamiya have also just released the F104 www.tamiya.com/english/products/58431f104/index.htm which looks like it's running on foams ? and then '3racing' have released the F1-09 available through Muchmore racing. The Hpi is the cheapest at a smidge under the ton, 3racing's one is £115 and the tamiya one is the most spendy at just short of £150, still cheaper than a touring car though ! I'm sure we can all find them cheaper than that and I'm sure Terry would be interested in stocking them and spares if a series could be sorted, how about it Terry, a 'Reality F1 series' ?

[mattsedgley]

Haha I like your thinking and your shell looks nice, What's your surname Ian?

Sadly the Reality Racing championship classes are sorted for the 2010 season, rules are to be released soon.

Ian, can you make it to our indoor venue on the 3rd, it'll give you a chance to meet some of us, - have you ever raced with us before?

[Martin Young]

Dec 28, 2009 19:33:31 GMT @mattsedgley said:

Perhaps we should test outdoors? 13.5/10.5/17.5 can all be made to lap within a 10th of each other indoors in the right hands...

Shall we organise a bit of an expo heat outdoors in February?

I firmly believe brushless motors do not need to be used in these cars, it a new class (well at least one that's not been run for a while), most of us have old brushed speedo's kicking around in the pit box so lets use these.

Please lets keep it cheap like the ansmann class, sealed can motors will be great for this type of car.
They weigh so much less than a touring car and the transmission is so efficient no belts pulleys etc to soak up all that power you will be surprised how fast one of these will go.

The cost of tyres are quite high on F1's and they are not so easy to get in the UK at the moment. Although i would expect that to change if the Super production cup takes off. Even from Hong Kong a set of for tyres will cost you £30 ish + delivery.

For me in short lets keep the rules simple (Any f1 with any f1 tyres) and cheap (sealed can motors).

Just my 2p worth.

[mattsedgley]

Sorry martin, I should clarify, i was using the lack of difference in pace between the three brushless classes as an exmaple of the closeness indoors, a sealed can motor class sounds good - 21T or 27t something like that,

rough rules could be -
any f1 car - any tyres
27t sealed Ansmann clash motor
what about weight limit?
price limit on speedo same as eco?
lipo cutout blah blah..

[Martin Young]

Dec 28, 2009 20:55:12 GMT @mattsedgley said:

rough rules could be -
any f1 car - any tyres
27t sealed Ansmann clash motor
what about weight limit?
price limit on speedo same as eco?
lipo cutout blah blah..

Sorry Matt, I misunderstood

Yes the above sounds along the right line IMO.

[mattsedgley]

cool!

let's see what the 3rd brings, and see how popular they become over the next month or so!

[yellowshark]

They had a GT10 class racing at the Juniors this year (and will do in 2010 too). They were well cool. I assume they were running 10.5 as that is the BRCA class rule and I presume foams (not sure though) given the level of grip they had on a not particularly grippy track at the time.

If we donned one of our Corvette bodyshells would we qualify ;D

Given they ran well at Eastbourne I am sure they would run fine at Bashley; we are a bit tighter but have more grip so 10.5 would fly . 1S cells are a bit of a nerd in my view, more expense, although I see Aldershot run 2s cells

[ian]

Not sure I'll be able to make it on the 3rd, I haven't looked where you're currently racing indoors as it wasn't a primary interest, I raced ages ago at I think Bashley Village hall and then maybe at the memorial hall in New Milton ( near the shop ) but that was a while ago now.

Agree we should use some of our older esc and brushed motors, they'll go fine with them in, still unsure on the tyre thing though, £30 for a set, so that's 4, surely we must be able to get them cheaper, especially if someone bought a few sets at the same time. Without meaning to sound completely ignorant, what sort of tyres are they, as in dimensions as opposed to black and round compared with current touring tyres.

Will see if I can drop over on the 3rd and have a chat with some of you about this if everyone is going to be there ?

[ian]

Answering my own question here... Tyre sizes on the spares page of the hpi uk site is

www.hpiracing.co.uk/parts.php?partNo=102852&type=STD&pp=24&page=3&scf8=1&scf9=1&scf10=1&scf3=1&scf7=1&scf6=1&scf1=1&scf13=1&scf12=1&scf5=1&scf0=1&cfsubmit=Submit

And the 3racing stuff seems slightly more expensive on some parts but less on others

www.muchmoreracing.com/store/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=4_185&sort=2a&page=2

3racing used to make all the hop up parts for the tamiya F1 cars, they've bought there own out now, with all the hop ups already on it.

Nothing on either the HPI or 3racing seems any more than it would be on a tourer

So, who's up for some F1 action on a sunday then ?

[lesbaldry]

Pro 10 is where I started many years ago,also then foam Tyres were expensive,had high wear rate and were prone to "chunking" easily on rough tracks...the other down side those days was trying to make 5 mins with a 1200 pack ;D

As for F1 it would be nice if there were some rubber tyres available that worked as I feel this would be a good "step" up from the Ansmans class for some to learn driving/throttle skills,they would be extremely quick even with the sealed can 540's...the only down side I can see is if the "solid axel and flat pan" type chassis of both F1 and GT10 will be able to ride the bumps well on our very lumpy out door track??bare in mind that even a tourer with fully independent suspension needs at least 6/6.5mm ride hight to stop grounding out....also with any open wheel class there can be no side to side contact "rubbing"

Something else to consider too is that if foams were to be used a Tyre truer may well be needed making GT10 or F1 not such a cheap option after all??

[mattsedgley]

F1 for sale on RCracechat - bargain prices.... www.rcracechat.com/vb/showthread.php?t=55304

[yellowshark]

Probably too late for Ross Matt, so don't include him in your numbers

[lesbaldry]

Dec 29, 2009 12:36:16 GMT yellowshark said:

Probably too late for Ross Matt, so don't include him in your numbers

Wrong thread Pete ..........silly old fart ...lol

[mattsedgley]

lol

[yellowshark]

Doh, must have been all the excitment thinking about buying the X10 ;D