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Post by yellowshark on Aug 8, 2011 22:54:16 GMT
Hi a note to the Committee; there is a new BRCA initiated thread on racechat from Bob Burr - 17.5 class clubs - with a view to starting a 17.5 non timing class in the Clubmans series next year and he is trying to get an understanding of what clubs run what in terms of 17.5. Thought I ought to pass it over you guys  |
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Post by Reuben on Aug 8, 2011 23:06:13 GMT
I think 17.5 died when Pro-Eco was brought in.
Pro-eco has the more manageable speeds, less wear, cheaper gear that we were all wanted from 17.5 and pro-eco just seems to do it better (especially since timing came along).
Its too late for 17.5 at national / most club levels.
In my opinion (not commitee) I would like to see 17.5 dropped as a seperate class and we just run Stock (which is graded Eco / Pro-Eco or F1 and F2) and Brushless (which is F1 and F2, with F1 being 13.5 - 2.5 and F2 being 17.5 - 21.5). But thats a seperate debate for AGM time.
Maybe the clubmans should look at doing something more niche and suitable? Anyone want to suggest a control sealed-can to the BRCA?
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Post by yellowshark on Aug 8, 2011 23:35:54 GMT
BHWAAAAA. I hope not Reuben. Ross and I were thinking of making a 17.5 comeback next season (well of course a startback for me) with non timing ESCs and throttle epas turned down - we have two XRAY 008's sitting there doing nothing  |
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Post by yellowshark on Aug 8, 2011 23:37:41 GMT
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Post by ianlloyd on Aug 9, 2011 14:49:26 GMT
If the BRCA had suggested this a year ago and acted on it then it may have got somewhere. Not so sure now though, a bit late I feel.
As has been said, Pro Eco has taken the place of non timing 17.5 and seems to be working. I do think it is a good class, maybe you should try it Pete.
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Post by lesbaldry on Aug 9, 2011 16:51:05 GMT
If the BRCA had suggested this a year ago and acted on it then it may have got somewhere. Not so sure now though, a bit late I feel. As has been said, Pro Eco has taken the place of non timing 17.5 and seems to be working. I do think it is a good class, maybe you should try it Pete. IMHO at least two years late Ian.  The US has been running some very popular 17.5 boosted and non boosted (Blinky) series for quite a while!! Im not sure If I would like to see 17.5 dropped completely even though 17.5 boosted has become way quicker than we imagined but I can understand and see where Reuben is coming from for our track! Pro-eco has become popular(even though some doubted its speed and "fun factor"  ) but the 540 motors are pushed to the limits and a class such as 17.5 non boosted would be a gentle step up in technology and speed (close to a lap faster??).There is a range of ECO brushless motors and speedo's out there so It may be worth considering as a class for the club? Personally I don't think Bob Burr will get much response which will be a shame as most racers theses days seem to have a bloody stigma and snobbery about driving a so called slow stock class  .....I think they are all missing out on the "fun" side of competitive racing.........some of you will remember the extremely close quarter racing we had during the SLCC 17.5 class series. That's a nice thought of suggesting a sealed can motor to the BRCA but I don't think there's a powerful enough and reliable make out there to cope with the bigger tracks? after all we are gearing the 21t to the hilt at the moment to get reasonable top end speed on our little strait! Running one of theses at say Aldershot or West London would be a total "Yawn" even for a newby.. Pro-eco I think only works well on the smaller tracks such as ours. |
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Post by yellowshark on Aug 9, 2011 23:39:32 GMT
LOL too expensive Ian. I have a17.5 so all I need to do is turn down the throttle epa so its not so fast  |
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Post by lesbaldry on Aug 10, 2011 6:29:03 GMT
LOL too expensive Ian. I have a17.5 so all I need to do is turn down the throttle epa so its not so fast Oh come on Pete too expensive  40 quid gets you a Pro-eco power pack,pop it in a spare chassis have a..."bash" ...we'ed all love to see you have a go,It will open your eyes to set up and the "feel" of a chassis ......Theres plenty of us "old farts" to race with too ;D.......Plus Craig could stand at the bottom of the rostrum and give you a bollocking for a change lol |
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Post by ianlloyd on Aug 10, 2011 8:51:04 GMT
Would be interesting to try a non timing 17.5 and see what the difference is in speed to the Ansmann 21t motor.
The only problem with doing this class as a beginner/Pro Eco class is that it will cost a lot more than it does now for someone just starting perhaps. I know long term it may turn out cheaper and would be less maintenance maybe but the initial cost is a worry.
Also there is the fact we would again be adding yet another class. We are blessed at the moment with only a few classes to contend with but there is already a problem in getting numbers to do each class on a race day and inevitably we end up running different classes together with limited success.
Would there also not be a problem with scrutineering? Not that we do any now as we generally do not need to but unless you specify a certain motor and speedo for everyone there will always be some chance of one being better than another and people having or trying to change to get more speed. At least with the Ansmann sealed motor you know exactly where you are and everyone is the same.
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Post by yellowshark on Aug 10, 2011 15:23:22 GMT
Would be interesting to try a non timing 17.5 and see what the difference is in speed to the Ansmann 21t motor. quote] I would be happy to set Craig up with non timed 17.5 and do a couple of runs with the Pro Eco class on 11th September (assuming 28th August is a club champ round). The Tekin speedo with 212 can be set to non-timed and flashes different lights at neutral to confirm. |
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Post by yellowshark on Aug 10, 2011 15:34:03 GMT
... but unless you specify a certain motor and speedo for everyone there will always be some chance of one being better than another and people having or trying to change to get more speed. At least with the Ansmann sealed motor you know exactly where you are and everyone is the same. I think this is a really important point Ian. The tight specification means there is no way/point to spend money to improve performance. And when you want to you just buy a 17.5 second hand. It would be interesting to see if a 17.5 with a non timed Tekin is slower than a 17.5 with an ISTC on programme 4, which is what Ross ran ( I think he finally crept up to throttle epa set at 95%) and from memory I think that is faster than a 21T sealed can. |
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Post by yellowshark on Aug 10, 2011 15:36:26 GMT
LOL too expensive Ian. I have a17.5 so all I need to do is turn down the throttle epa so its not so fast Oh come on Pete too expensive 40 quid gets you a Pro-eco power pack,pop it in a spare chassis have a..."bash" ...we'ed all love to see you have a go,It will open your eyes to set up and the "feel" of a chassis ......Theres plenty of us "old farts" to race with too ;D.......Plus Craig could stand at the bottom of the rostrum and give you a bollocking for a change lol LOL Les, do you think he would buy me a sumptuous chocolate muffin if I broke the 10 lap barrier ;D |
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Post by lesbaldry on Aug 11, 2011 6:12:09 GMT
Oh come on Pete too expensive 40 quid gets you a Pro-eco power pack,pop it in a spare chassis have a..."bash" ...we'ed all love to see you have a go,It will open your eyes to set up and the "feel" of a chassis ......Theres plenty of us "old farts" to race with too ;D.......Plus Craig could stand at the bottom of the rostrum and give you a bollocking for a change lol LOL Les, do you think he would buy me a sumptuous chocolate muffin if I broke the 10 lap barrier ;D Bugger! I'll buy you a box if you just had a go |
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Post by ianlloyd on Aug 11, 2011 8:15:22 GMT
I will throw in a packet of Jammy Dodgers to go with the chocolate muffins!
No excuse now Pete. You have been challenged!
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Post by yellowshark on Aug 11, 2011 12:44:00 GMT
Err very tempting ;D I'll need some practice first though; I am struggling with remembering which way to push the stick when the car is coming towards me |
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Post by lesbaldry on Aug 11, 2011 16:49:45 GMT
Err very tempting ;D I'll need some practice first though; I am struggling with remembering which way to push the stick when the car is coming towards me LMAO ;D.....Ill chuck in a Rum Ba Ba too |
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The US has been running some very popular 17.5 boosted and non boosted (Blinky) series for quite a while!!
) but the 540 motors are pushed to the limits and a class such as 17.5 non boosted would be a gentle step up in technology and speed (close to a lap faster??).There is a range of ECO brushless motors and speedo's out there so It may be worth considering as a class for the club?
.....I think they are all missing out on the "fun" side of competitive racing.........some of you will remember the extremely close quarter racing we had during the SLCC 17.5 class series.
40 quid gets you a Pro-eco power pack,pop it in a spare chassis have a..."bash" ...we'ed all love to see you have a go,It will open your eyes to set up and the "feel" of a chassis