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Post by mattsedgley on Jun 6, 2008 11:16:22 GMT
afternoon all!
Any ideas how much I should pay for a second hand Cyclone, in good nic and also what they're like to drive - I know adam uses one...
Matt
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Post by ukcmf on Jun 6, 2008 11:24:07 GMT
Matt, There are a few different models which one are you after?
Col
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Post by mattsedgley on Jun 6, 2008 11:28:52 GMT
the one i've seen is purple so its probably a hara edition or the worlds edition i dont think its a cyclone s - terry informs me its 349 new - any ideas what they drive like?
I used a Ta05 on wednesday night and found that really nice set my fastest ever lap with it -
I'm also thinking of a Yokomo BD grainger edition - I'm not sure what people think of those either!
Matt
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Post by lesbaldry on Jun 6, 2008 11:54:14 GMT
Matt before you make a chassis choice consider availability of spares,there is some very good cars out there but tracking parts can be a pain
As a beginer with your driving skill "not slow" I would recomend a Cyclone...work very well out of the box,relativly easy to set up,spares are easy to find plus other club members run them or a dirivative of the same car "Scythe" so some one should always have that "get you racing spare track side"
Second choice would be the Xray 008...back up is second to none,go's very well out of the box very easy to set up but Xray do tend to bring out a new car every year...The Cyclone has been about for some while now and I expect a new model due in the near future
As for second hand..bewear of what you buy unless you can see it or let a club member check it over for you.....you could end up with spending more on it to get it working than you think...buy new or a known car
A wise choice would be to choose a car that other club members run and have set up help track side.
If I had to make a choice today it would be one of the above...I would'nt give anthing else a second look!!..at the moment...
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Post by Robin Howett on Jun 6, 2008 12:12:15 GMT
thats just about what i was going to type and i wasn't even gonna push the Mi3 on ya.
as goes 2nd hand if it appears to be cheap then its probably had a really hard life and can cause no end of pain to get right, bent hinge pins for example can really mess up a cars handling but unless you strip the car down and check you'll never know.
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Post by oldtimeracer on Jun 6, 2008 12:24:59 GMT
OK so while I am trying to sell the TA05 I will also agree that the best option always is to buy new if you can afford it. For me any of the above mentioned cars are suitable as they have all proved themselves with national and club members. My only concern would be against the BD and only because it has been out in it's present form for a good while now and you can bet a new one is around the corner. However it is still a good car. I however I am a Tamiya man and would add the TRF416 to the list, or indeed any of the 415 options. There is really a huge choice at the moment and very few, if any, bad cars around. It really depends on what your budget is. The advice to go with a chassis that others are using at the club is very valid as there will be a wealth of set up information avaialable and the chance that someone will have that spare you need if you break something.
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Post by mattsedgley on Jun 6, 2008 14:18:40 GMT
Well the Cyclone went for 185 - not to me I'd like to point out, I got a bit spooked by the possibility of buying a shed that'd need lots of work.
I think its fair to say the cyclone is alot of cash to shell out - in all seriousness i've got all the radio gear now and electrics and some decent batteries - what else is needed to make the cyclone go quick? I'm assuming there must be a few hop ups required??
If my batteries fitted in the Ta05 then i'd take that on, it seemed composed and stable throughout wednesday night - the fantastic setup skills of Mr Loyd helped no doubt!
With the BD it seems a logical choice as it comes with all the hop ups right from the start - bar a set of spirngs and some new rubber there seems like nothing to buy! and for 229 thats not bad i feel
Gray seems to do very well with it and sings its praises all the time - not having a bank of spares on hand worries me, although I havent had an accident this year requiring anything more than a new screw.. (i'll forget the servo on Sunday that was me being a prat)
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Post by ukcmf on Jun 6, 2008 14:37:45 GMT
Matt, Dan races the Andy Moore Cyclone, we bought it new a year ago for just under £300 from a local model shop. If you buy the Andy Moore version you wont needs any hopups as they all come as standard. Fortunatley with the Cyclone alot of the hpi pro 4 parts also fit it and they're really easy to get hold of on a popular auction site.
The prob with buying a second hand car as we found with our original Pro 4 is you dont know how well its been put together or how well its been looked after, unless of course you know and trust the person you buy it off.
Col
Col
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Post by saintroeer on Jun 6, 2008 14:42:58 GMT
matt if we consider the original cyclone model to be defunct there is only two options - Moore speed and the cyclone s.
cyclone s is a tub chassis (new RTR models are about £180 and olie has been able to make some really big improvements since having his) with the remains of the make up almost identical the Moore speed accept we have purple bits (blue sucks mark and Ian). the Moore speed is also basically fully hopped up.
Ian newton was able to use a general set up with my cyclone that has had it glued to the track (if we ignore weds) so set up wont be a problem, as for extra speed now thats the eternal question and much more generic
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Post by Robin Howett on Jun 6, 2008 14:47:16 GMT
That would be Barry running the BD and yes he's very fast with it.
If your going well with Ians Ta05 that is a very safe bet, he won't have skimped on looking after it and i'm sure it would serve you well for the rest of the season while you learn more.
It's car setup as much as shiney new bits that make a car fast so buying a used well setup car will jump start that for you. But you'll miss out on the fun of building a kit from scratch.
Don't let the list price of cars fool you, after several months of racing they will all probably have cost about the same to run, tyres being a big part of that cost.
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Post by lesbaldry on Jun 6, 2008 14:53:09 GMT
Matt if you are desperate for a fast car with limited funds I have a top moded Scyth surpus to requirements,your welcom to run it for a while to see if you like it or not,the scythe is basicaly a Cyclone with a flexi chassis,a very good fast car and the early ones used to have chassis tweak probs,this one has the 2.5mm chassis,its not tweak proof and has its quirks,but it.s seriously up together "I wont sell junk" should you want it £100 does the deal plus a few spares.....I wont be near a Pc this week end or racing....Ask around about the Scythe,the Newburys and Ian Newton run them.....Reason for sale,I have two and this ones the gold version...I prefer red ;D
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Post by oldtimeracer on Jun 6, 2008 14:54:58 GMT
Being able to build a new car is one of the best bits about this game for sure. Choosing which car that is can be difficult though.
I am sure Matt would have gone for the TA05 but the new generation of fat cells (which he has just bought) will not fit in the tub chassis so that's out.
Maybe I should sell him all my old cells as well.......... ;D
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Post by MonkeyNuts on Jun 6, 2008 14:55:29 GMT
I run a Cyclone indoors and it is a very good car, and easy to setup. But seeing you liked the TA05 on wednesday night i would for one of them or the IFS version as i have found it to be better, and other people have as well. They work very well out the box and can be very quick without hardly any hopups.
Liam
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Post by keitheroonie on Jun 6, 2008 16:42:49 GMT
I run a TA05 and it's excellent (glued to the track as Les commented on Sunday), But I still want a cyclone when I grow up, only cause they look cool though. Personally I find Ollies cyclone S smoother to drive but not as fast (there's usually a couple of cyclones behind my TA05 ), I am used to the TA05 though and it's got lots of hop-ups. If your buying 2nd hand I would recommend a good, hopped up TA05. Having said that, Ollies Cyclone s came from the states for not much more than £100, for that money it's a perfect starting point. It takes either a lot of money or a lot of time to work up to a car that'll keep up with the faster boys in the club. Only problem is whatever car you have, you still need to drive it well and that takes alot more time than adding hop-ups Ollie improved massively when he switched to the Cyclone S but he did come from a TT01 I started with a basic TA05 kit and hopped up parts when I felt I needed them (usually too early). the biggest changes to the cars handling came from TRF shocks and decent tyres, the other hop-ups seemed to make very little or no difference, to a more experienced driver I'm sure they would be alot more noticable though. Hope this helps
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Post by mattsedgley on Jun 6, 2008 17:38:24 GMT
Does a lipo fit in the TA05 Keith??
I suppose that may be an option? anyone fancy five sets of 4200 well looked after NiMHs??? they were Grays untill last weekend!
that may be possible?
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Post by keitheroonie on Jun 6, 2008 19:56:46 GMT
Does a lipo fit in the TA05 Keith?? I suppose that may be an option? anyone fancy five sets of 4200 well looked after NiMHs??? they were Grays untill last weekend! that may be possible? Yes indeed it does, I have a demon 5000 Lipo and it sits in a treat, the standard battery bar fits on upside down (as with stick packs), Oh and it makes it 1525g with no added weights. Happy Days Lipo Size: 22.5mm thick, 45mm wide, 136,5mm long. Weight: 290gm.
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Post by MonkeyNuts on Jun 6, 2008 20:27:27 GMT
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Post by mattsedgley on Jun 6, 2008 22:13:09 GMT
Many thanks for the website - I've never seen it before!! Is this the Cyclone we are talking about being defunct? www.stellamodels.net/catalog/product_info.php?currency=GB&cPath=141&products_id=1896Dont get me wrong i'm not looking for a car that'll be super fast.. speed isn't the most important thing i dont feel - a tight chassis without to much play I feel is more important at the moment, as i cant really dial a setup into the tc3 I made my first 17 lapper on weds and it was the first time i'd driven the TA05 I think it was actually slower and less punchy than the tc3 but it allowed me to drive smoothly, also it showed me that the line I take round the track is more important than the speed down the straight. If i can sell the NiMhs then a TA05 might be the next logical step! - its got me thinking! wonder if a novak GTX has lipo cut off... One thing that worries me is buying a car now and then having to buy another one in a few months - high outlay now that lasts for this and next year or a second hand TA05 now and a new one for christmas!?? The mind wanders! Matt S
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Post by saintroeer on Jun 7, 2008 8:05:01 GMT
yes matt, if you look at the models on the hot bodies website it marks the origanal cyclone as no longer in production, i think its the cyclone s with a carbon fibre chassis.
as for the new or second hand debate, i think you should just try out a few more cars, talk to guys about spares and if the cars are always getting new models released and then do the reseach on the computer to find whats best for you.
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Post by MonkeyNuts on Jun 7, 2008 15:06:27 GMT
yes matt, if you look at the models on the hot bodies website it marks the origanal cyclone as no longer in production, i think its the cyclone s with a carbon fibre chassis. as for the new or second hand debate, i think you should just try out a few more cars, talk to guys about spares and if the cars are always getting new models released and then do the reseach on the computer to find whats best for you. The original Cyclone is the one i use and is basically the same as the Hara/Moorespeed one just that the bulkheads etc are in black not pink . not plastic like the 's' Liam
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Post by keitheroonie on Jun 7, 2008 17:16:30 GMT
Adam, I think the Moore speed is the s with all hop-ups and carbon chassis as all Moore speed parts fit the s. I might be wrong though
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Post by MonkeyNuts on Jun 7, 2008 18:10:16 GMT
Adam, I think the Moore speed is the s with all hop-ups and carbon chassis as all Moore speed parts fit the s. I might be wrong though So basically it isnt the 's' at all . The Moorespeed was the 'top' kit to buy, HotBodies have now released a new kit called the Cyclone TC which features lots of new parts, inlcuding the new pro-diff which fits in previous Cyclone kits and as is very good as i have now got it in mine ;D, pricey thou. There new kit won the 2008 reedy race in the hands of Hara, so i cant be that bad lol www.hbeurope.com/kit.php?partNo=67700&lang=enLiam
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Post by keitheroonie on Jun 7, 2008 18:24:16 GMT
I suppose not it does have the same geometry though which is kind of what I meant
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Post by MonkeyNuts on Jun 7, 2008 18:26:07 GMT
Ok lol ;D
Liam
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Post by keitheroonie on Jun 7, 2008 18:33:08 GMT
Just had a look at your link liam, "I want that one" That is a nicer looking car than the old 1, lots of nice new features too, I'll going to write a letter to Santa a bit quick (anyone know his email address) ;D
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Post by MonkeyNuts on Jun 7, 2008 18:37:39 GMT
The Pro-Diff is a must thou, i had it arrive on Thursday and it has got ceramic bearings, titanium screw and nut and it goes together very easily and is extreamly smooth (just ask simon lol). it cost me £35 for the diff and another £15 for the aluminium outdrives, so very pricey but worth it i think.
Liam
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Post by keitheroonie on Jun 7, 2008 19:06:25 GMT
I found a site in hong kong selling the kit for £232 incl. postage. now I'm tempted only problem is, my conscience is telling me "she will kill you" so maybe I'll find something to buy my lovely wife first, anyone got any ideas?
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Post by Simon Crabb on Jun 7, 2008 19:18:06 GMT
The Pro-Diff is a must thou, i had it arrive on Thursday and it has got ceramic bearings, titanium screw and nut and it goes together very easily and is extreamly smooth (just ask simon lol). it cost me £35 for the diff and another £15 for the aluminium outdrives, so very pricey but worth it i think. Liam It's the smoothest diff I've ever seen, I thought he'd not done it up right. It's almost as smooth as an M03 rear diff.
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