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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 24, 2009 7:04:29 GMT
Apart from the Xray 09 there has been a lack of new cars for the start of this season,the 09 seems to work as well as the 08 but that was to be expected "very little change" as per other makes,a slight variation on a theme
The only other that seem to be causing an interest is the Schumacher MI4..I saw one in the flesh last weekend and I must admit it did look good,simplistic,well engineered with some radical adjustments/fittings..unusuall for Shuy they have always looked cluttered/over engineered to me with mountains of small adjustments/add ons /new parts to confuse the clubman/new driver.....Word on the street is that a top driver who has been testing the MI4 has gone 0.5 sec a lap faster on all the tracks its been used at!..thats an awfull lot,if we were to believe the hype I would expect a lot of track records to be smashed this year...hmmm
As for Hot Boddies/Hpi all seems to be quiet??? they went to the worlds and done well with a basically "old design" a variation on a theme again (the TC).... there must be something new on the horizon,any body heard any rumors??
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Post by Martin Young on Apr 24, 2009 7:57:37 GMT
One other is the Yokomo BD-5 but with no team drivers in the UK for Yokomo I think they are going to struggle to even sell them. From testing with the prototype car it didn't seem to be any faster than the old BD either, not only that but since it launch I've heard very little about it.
Not out yet I know but what about the Scythe replacement the Photon? Looks kind of interesting.
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Post by Kev on Apr 24, 2009 8:04:50 GMT
I have heard that this now available about £330 , not sure why they called it BD5 what happened to BD 2,3,4? or it could be they have been designing / building it for the last 5 years  www.yokomo-america.com/?p=48 |
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 24, 2009 8:57:39 GMT
Yep the Photon looks interesting but if its anything like the old car it needed a fortune spent on after market parts to make it work..I had one! very quick but!!!
Trouble is we are a load of sheep really and I dont blame us,we tend o follow trends/faster drivers,spares availability..very good minority makes such as the Kyosho "shin" dont get a show,probably a very competent car but no name's drives one!
Name'ed drivers jump ship at a whim and take club members with them..not a bad thing at least they get help!..been on your own with an odd make or new design is hard work and can be very fustrating even for the experianced club driver..Ian Lloyde tried so did I..
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Post by oldtimeracer on Apr 24, 2009 9:32:07 GMT
There is also the matter of back up as we know Les. The Robitroniks Avid I had was a good car but getting parts was a nightmare. Same, so I understand with some other makes that people have brought in and then not stocked or dropped the spares. Ridiculous really. Unless a manufacturer has a reliable importer who is prepared to service those people who buy their products then there is no chance they will sell any.
It does seem that there is a lack of new stuff at the moment though which is unusual for our industry. I suspect that there will be a an influx of new cars before the end of the year though.
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 24, 2009 9:51:53 GMT
There is also the matter of back up as we know Les. The Robitroniks Avid I had was a good car but getting parts was a nightmare. Same, so I understand with some other makes that people have brought in and then not stocked or dropped the spares. Ridiculous really. Unless a manufacturer has a reliable importer who is prepared to service those people who buy their products then there is no chance they will sell any. It does seem that there is a lack of new stuff at the moment though which is unusual for our industry. I suspect that there will be a an influx of new cars before the end of the year though. Yep!!...I had a real hard look at the Tamiya at the start of the season,I loved my old MSX but!! (not wishing to start a parts debate here,just my thoughts) The Shin was the same...Il stick to the relaible purple ploder for a while thanks! |
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 24, 2009 12:03:28 GMT
I've have been poking around some US forums,The TOP Photon is getting very good reviews "so did Bush"  ...strangly enough the MI4 was been "knocked" on quality on the same forum,comparing it to the MI3/3.5..I cant see how it aint out yet...unfair!! "UK manufacturer"  ..typical yanks!  The Original Scythe was well raced and promoted by the Westwood bros,back up,cost and tweaking let it down for me...finding a good driver and distributor may well stop this new TOP car having a successful show in the UK...Much Moor racing??? |
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Post by oldtimeracer on Apr 24, 2009 12:06:13 GMT
Like I said without a good importer it stands no chance no matter how good it is.
With the current financial climate I cannot see any major distributor taking on something that is unknown. Too much risk involved.
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 24, 2009 12:45:47 GMT
At the end of the day you need a rolling chassis that is strong, easy to put together and to maintain, reliable, has first class support in terms of spares and forums, is the basis for a fast car, upgradable so a newbie can manage it but if they want to spend money to upgrade as their ability advances, not pee around buying another can and starting all over again, is well engineered and looks good, runs excellently out of the box but is highly tuneable if you want it.
There are a few that tick these boxes and the XRAY ticks them all
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 24, 2009 13:10:36 GMT
At the end of the day you need a rolling chassis that is strong, easy to put together and to maintain, reliable, has first class support in terms of spares and forums, is the basis for a fast car, upgradable so a newbie can manage it but if they want to spend money to upgrade as their ability advances, not pee around buying another can and starting all over again, is well engineered and looks good, runs excellently out of the box but is highly tuneable if you want it. There are a few that tick these boxes and the XRAY ticks them all Apart from ...upgraded top and rear deck to gain grip,Only Xray spurs fit (unless you cleverly mod it) hard to gain access to motor screws in low ratios,the need to upgrade poor plastic kit shocks to even poorer alloy ones that cost a fortune..and the wear rate of componants compared too...  ....just a mo,does the Cyclone need or suffer any of theses things....Nah ;D...I love a bit of car wars with you Pete ....Pete the X Rays are all you have ever known ...  ...Over the years in tourers I have ran most makes barring Corraly and Schumacher and had close contact with the others..Manufacures are much like leopards,they dont change there spots too much,one mans irritant is another's joy..but they need to be experienced lol Back to subject?  ?? |
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Post by issac on Apr 24, 2009 14:04:57 GMT
i heard that the new yokomo isn't being imported due to the exchange rate ( it puts it at approx £500 )
this may also explain why the uk is not going to get some of the new stuff out on the market.
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Post by TryHard on Apr 24, 2009 14:19:26 GMT
TBH, Yokomo should have named the BD5 the BD"TRF416"5.. apart from teh chinese knock offs, it is one of the the most balatent copies of a concept around... even down to the suspenion mounts and bulkheads.... I have heard of a few quality issues with it too, some appear to slight misalinged centre mounts. The Schuey... I'm not sold on it. The angling of certain parts, to me, seems a bit unecessary, (And for certain bits, really a little odd) and a lot of Graingers speed can be put down to him running 6.5 LiPo... and blowing the doors off people down the straight! The Photon looks good, but like Les says, unless a big name starts driving it... it won't gain any traction (geddit!) in the U.K. I'm pretty sure I've siad it before, but the three best cars out their at the moment are the 416, the 009 and the Cyclone... and thats in no particular order, bar blue 1st! I wouldn't worry about the HB either Les, there is a new one in the works.. Moore has been driving a prototype with revised steering and top deck (similar to the Tam), and doing quite nicely apparently. He would have used at the Euro's, but it got trodden on before the metting by an overeager marshal!!! opps! Regards Ed |
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Post by Simon Crabb on Apr 24, 2009 14:23:22 GMT
My current top three looks like this:
Xray T2-009
Shumacher Mi4
Tamiya TRF-416 WE
The order of that top three is always changing though. And to be honest, my 415 performs well enough for now.
Personally I don't see a problem with running Tamiya products, they're very quick, look nice, and there are spares available easily enough really, several UK shops have them, and ordering from the Far East is never a big deal. And there's plenty of local knowledge of course!
I have to say though, the engineering quality of Xray just keeps on catching my eye...
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 24, 2009 14:49:41 GMT
Thanks Ed a wealth of knowlege as allways  ...I was begining to wonder what HB's were up to...Ill hang fire I was thinking of changing at the end of season unless they brought out somthing new. I do tend to agree with you regarding the Schuy..Have you seen one in the flesh yet?..I does look good and the engineering is not the Schuy norm..we shall see?.. I expect the Westwoods might be running one at the Cotswolds..Mind you if you had seen them in action at aldershot you would have never believed a MI 3.5 was under their shells..considering how a driver of Robs calibre suffered with one |
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Post by Reuben on Apr 24, 2009 15:50:03 GMT
new top deck? another new upgrade kit then for HB? or a proper new car? anyway I dont think ill be purchasing another car for a year or two yet...... if I were to purchase another car. Tamiya would be in my shortlist! Xray are TOO expensive on parts for my budget - they may be very well engineered with great tolerance levels, but for the club racer like me the excessive cost doesn't warrant the performance gain. I would definitely like a 416 worlds though Tamiya were the rc car of my childhood! |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 24, 2009 16:10:34 GMT
At the end of the day you need a rolling chassis that is strong, easy to put together and to maintain, reliable, has first class support in terms of spares and forums, is the basis for a fast car, upgradable so a newbie can manage it but if they want to spend money to upgrade as their ability advances, not pee around buying another can and starting all over again, is well engineered and looks good, runs excellently out of the box but is highly tuneable if you want it. There are a few that tick these boxes and the XRAY ticks them all Apart from ...upgraded top and rear deck to gain grip,Only Xray spurs fit (unless you cleverly mod it) hard to gain access to motor screws in low ratios,the need to upgrade poor plastic kit shocks to even poorer alloy ones that cost a fortune..and the wear rate of componants compared too... ....just a mo,does the Cyclone need or suffer any of theses things....Nah ;D...I love a bit of car wars with you Pete ....Pete the X Rays are all you have ever known ... ...Over the years in tourers I have ran most makes barring Corraly and Schumacher and had close contact with the others..Manufacures are much like leopards,they dont change there spots too much,one mans irritant is another's joy..but they need to be experienced lol Back to subject? ?? Apart from ...upgraded top and rear deck to gain grip, Yup its great to have a manufacturer who sells you a great car but supports you by more R&D during the season to make the car even better. Rings a bell, oh yeah they do that in F1 too; gets my vote. Only Xray spurs fit (unless you cleverly mod it) Doh, I am going sue RW Racing for mis-selling  hard to gain access to motor screws in low ratios (Personal note don't buy that 17.5) ;D What can I say, the front one for any ratio will be like finding petrol at a shell garage, as is adjusting diff tightness (5 secs) or swapping spurs - as is the rear one with an FDR of 4.2the need to upgrade poor plastic kit shocks to even poorer alloy ones that cost a fortune Hmn, alloys only did 20 laps at Aldershot last week, must be poo 
Hmn plastic ones only did 19/302 at Bashley with standard (non Les tweaked  ) 27t and inexperienced driver; must be poo..and the wear rate of componants compared too... ....just a mo,does the Cyclone need or suffer any of theses things....Nah ;D...I love a bit of car wars with you Pete Yup I have to agree Les the Xray components really do last a long time. To be honest personally I think the steering blocks could last longer than 6-8 months but to be fair to XRAY you do have the option to upgrade to aluminium ones. ....Pete the X Rays are all you have ever known ... ...Over the years in tourers I have ran most makes barring Corraly and Schumacher and had close contact with the others..Manufacures are much like leopards,they dont change there spots too much,one mans irritant is another's joy..but they need to be experienced lol Lol indeed Les. That’s Team Campbell’s strategy. Buy best of breed in first place and spend your time on learning how to race better, not how to put together and tune a new car every 4 months.
Don’t chase your dream, buy it in the first place ;DBack to subject? ?? Absolutely; why not try a new 009 for 09 guys; you know it makes sense |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 24, 2009 16:15:00 GMT
Hey Reubs, spare parts are only expensive on any car if you have to replace them, which on an XRAY you rarely do - don't be confused by propoganda. And we will run the kit top deck at the next RRC - Les can scrutinise . Hell we might even put those crappy plastic shocks on too ;D |
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Post by Reuben on Apr 24, 2009 19:40:06 GMT
Don’t chase your dream, buy it in the first place ;D [/color] [/quote] Pete your not working on Xray's new selling pitch? Cos that may just work.......written in purple |
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Post by Simon Crabb on Apr 25, 2009 0:13:31 GMT
I do tend to agree with you regarding the Schuy..Have you seen one in the flesh yet?..I does look good and the engineering is not the Schuy norm..we shall see?.. I expect the Westwoods might be running one at the Cotswolds..Mind you if you had seen them in action at aldershot you would have never believed a MI 3.5 was under their shells.. So the Westwoods etc weren't running Mi4's at Aldershot? I just presumed they were, I didn't pay close attention! But, I'm sure those boys would make any car go quickly! |
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Post by gwesty on Apr 25, 2009 6:35:24 GMT
hi guys , chris grainger hasnt run 6.5/lipo , so its fair to say the car is faster (ive tested with him) as for me having an mi4 ,not yet im still waiting there are 6 out there and you saw 1 that muzzy had . i personally beleive the mi4 will be faster all around but it has been designed for modified . the 3.5 is almost the perfect car for spec racing in my eyes (and as you say , you saw it first hand !)
glenn
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Post by gwesty on Apr 25, 2009 6:59:02 GMT
also if any of you guys goes the schumacher route then pm me or see me at the track and i will give you my latest set up
cheers glenn
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Post by lesbaldry on Apr 25, 2009 7:11:05 GMT
Forgetting our fun car wars for a moment...and yes Im been serious for a change (Pete) ..this is how I see the current popular chassis's at the moment. I think the 416 and 008/9 are probably a "more of" a nimbler car/s,one will probably suit some tracks better than the other/s,somtimes not? as for the purple ploder its a good all rounder being a good stable chassis where ever you race it..where the MI4 will fit in only time will tell,regardless of my personal thoughts about Schuy gear it would be nice to see a british car do well at club level...lets hope its simple for the clubie |
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Post by yellowshark on Apr 25, 2009 8:31:56 GMT
Text version of subliminal advertising Reubs
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Post by gwesty on May 7, 2009 20:27:54 GMT
hi guys , im have to retract my offer for help with the mi3.5/4 as im no longer a schumacher driver ! ofcourse i will help track side if i can .
ive gone blue !!!!!
associated tc5r
cheers glenn
ps any sponsers would be greatly received .
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Post by lesbaldry on May 8, 2009 6:49:33 GMT
hi guys , im have to retract my offer for help with the mi3.5/4 as im no longer a schumacher driver ! ofcourse i will help track side if i can . ive gone blue !!!!! associated tc5r cheers glenn ps any sponsers would be greatly received . Blimey GW,I know we chated about it on the phone this week but thats a bit drastic (but I fully understand your reason!!).....I wonder how many you will drag with you ;D...Wots bruv doing?? Taz will sponser you..A beer or two keeps him happy...good luck any way! |
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Post by Reuben on May 8, 2009 9:19:34 GMT
Thats a sharp change!
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Post by lesbaldry on May 8, 2009 9:28:23 GMT
Thats a sharp change! A bit Like Ed or Pete going purple ;D...Mind you the way Petes felling at the moment It wouldn't surprise me...thats why my excursion with Xray was short lived...very good car BUT!!!..whats next 009.5 folowed by 009.6 etc etc |
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Post by yellowshark on May 8, 2009 9:45:42 GMT
Thats a sharp change! A bit Like Ed or Pete going purple ;D Oh yeah sure Hey!!! The heat sink on the Savox servo is Orange ;D |
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Post by gwesty on May 8, 2009 14:16:52 GMT
hi , les j is staying with his 3.5 ! as for mark and tim they will also be staying put !!! (for now anyway !lol)
the switch to associated tc5r has surprised lots of people but i feel the car will be good , awesome quality and the build was good/easy !
i for one and really looking forward to racing it . 1 week to 1st national tho !
cheers, glenn
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Post by Matt Haskell on May 8, 2009 14:56:56 GMT
Glenn,
Is it a sponsored drive you have, or are you just trying out the TC5?
Must admit, i was surprised to hear your leaving Schumacher - the car looked awesome at Aldershot.
Matt
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...strangly enough the MI4 was been "knocked" on quality on the same forum,comparing it to the MI3/3.5..I cant see how it aint out yet...unfair!! "UK manufacturer" 
..typical yanks! 
....just a mo,does the Cyclone need or suffer any of theses things....Nah ;D...I love a bit of car wars with you Pete
...Over the years in tourers I have ran most makes barring Corraly and Schumacher and had close contact with the others..Manufacures are much like leopards,they dont change there spots too much,one mans irritant is another's joy..but they need to be experienced lol
...I was begining to wonder what HB's were up to...Ill hang fire I was thinking of changing at the end of season unless they brought out somthing new.
) 27t and inexperienced driver; must be poo