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Post by lesbaldry on Oct 31, 2010 7:07:17 GMT
But I can’t help feeling that 17.5 NG is still too fast for entry level – you could argue we cover that off at Bashley with the Eco class I suppose. Lest we forget, it is at least lap if not a lap and a half faster than 27T which in reality means beginners are driving 19T spec cars No doubt it is Pete but no one wants to drive 17.5 3rd gen speeds now outside of SHMCC  .....so what should be suggested as an entry level then?....trouble is no mater what the BRCA/regional series do for an entry level most new drivers will still want to have a missile regardless,Its what they see racing !!!.... so I feel a slower entry level will be very poorly attended so there for unfortunately a waste of time! For any slower class to stick and have prestige it MUST be well supported not only by new drivers but also BY the better drivers to show its potential for close racing and perhaps a cheaper class....But this will never happen due to its stigma! and its too late now. should any of the faster drivers drop down to a 17.5/stock class they would be labeled as a "pot hunter" this is sad and tiny minded  .. I think this frightens a few off from trying  A no win situation? If governing bodys had introduced a slower "stock " class(17.5) in the first place, there for "sort" of forcing people to run sensible speeds at regional and national level we wouldn't have this problem now,would we!! ....At least SHMCC weren't that short sighted!!!!! |
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Post by Reuben on Oct 31, 2010 23:04:33 GMT
word on the street is that its 10.5 and Mod again next year.... no real changes. so everything as per this year, tracks and classes.
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Post by yellowshark on Oct 31, 2010 23:15:45 GMT
Do you know what happened on the Clubman series?
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Post by Reuben on Oct 31, 2010 23:42:04 GMT
not 100% but I believe there will be one - dont know motors though, i guess we will find out soon enough
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Post by mattsedgley on Nov 1, 2010 0:20:48 GMT
apparently nothing has been decided on classes or specs yet interestingly Mike Smith organiser of STCC has but on a "TC4" class which will be 21.5t motors!  |
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Post by jamietraylor on Nov 1, 2010 7:34:58 GMT
I think 21.5 would be a good idea. In my pinion it should be 21.5 stock, 17.5 super stock, 13.5 pro stock and 10.5 mod!
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Post by Jazzler on Nov 1, 2010 7:41:43 GMT
I think 21.5 would be a good idea. In my pinion it should be 21.5 stock, 17.5 super stock, 13.5 pro stock and 10.5 mod! Sounds like a good SHMCC agm proposal  |
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Post by Reuben on Nov 1, 2010 12:05:51 GMT
I think 21.5 would be a good idea. In my pinion it should be 21.5 stock, 17.5 super stock, 13.5 pro stock and 10.5 mod! Sounds like a good SHMCC agm proposal Nice idea but WAY WAY to many classes for the amount of racers we have. Also looking at the speed of the pro-eco cars of Chris and Dave vs the 17.5's yesterday, there wasnt much in it down the straight. And I think the pro eco motor may be quicker than a 21.5 with boost? Making the 21.5 an expensive irrelevant class to run on its own? In my opinion we should run: Eco Pro-Eco 17.5 OpenTC I think our current system isnt broke, so dont need to fix it? |
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 1, 2010 12:15:03 GMT
Does anyone recall what the 27T lap record was - ie set by a club member rather than a visiting national champion or whatever?
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 1, 2010 12:20:54 GMT
Sounds like a good SHMCC agm proposal Nice idea but WAY WAY to many classes for the amount of racers we have. Also looking at the speed of the pro-eco cars of Chris and Dave vs the 17.5's yesterday, there wasnt much in it down the straight. And I think the pro eco motor may be quicker than a 21.5 with boost? Making the 21.5 an expensive irrelevant class to run on its own? In my opinion we should run: Eco Pro-Eco 17.5 OpenTC I think our current system isnt broke, so dont need to fix it? +1 except, as I said at the weekend i still have a concern about the NG 17.5 for beginners. BUT in reality it is up to the beginners we have that run that to speak up. Doesn't worry Ross though, he has a non NG 17.5 and wants to get in the C or the D final so he can add a winners pot to his collection ;D |
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Post by Reuben on Nov 1, 2010 13:05:25 GMT
tbh pete, sell the 17.5's and get a sealed can / brushed combo. Then Ross can run on the grass all winter and not blow anything up, and its a really nice speed after watching them yesterday. Very much similar to original 17.5 sphere speeds. Dare I mention 17.5 F1 F2 for old / new gen |
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Post by jamietraylor on Nov 1, 2010 18:29:50 GMT
I may have got a little lost here I meant for brca classes. I agree are classes are good for our club but maybe have 21.5 in with pro Eco for people who want to run brushless in pro Eco but are not ready for 17.5?
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 1, 2010 19:05:08 GMT
tbh pete, sell the 17.5's and get a sealed can / brushed combo. Then Ross can run on the grass all winter and not blow anything up, and its a really nice speed after watching them yesterday. Very much similar to original 17.5 sphere speeds. Dare I mention 17.5 F1 F2 for old / new gen Ooh exciting, can I use my comm lathe or does sealed mean sealed? Are the speedos more sealed than my ISTC? |
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 1, 2010 19:38:02 GMT
Well that's put the cat amongst the pidgeons. Mike Smith who normally gets it right has gone 13.5/21.5 - makes a lot of sense albeit it doesn't fit in with us.
Looks like another year of fractured classes unless the BRCA follow suit with the Clubmans. Both of which of course will remove opportunities for foreign track practice in prep for the Nats
Oh and with contributions from Craig and Simon the club came 17th in the STCC club championship - well done boys!
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Post by mattsedgley on Nov 1, 2010 21:47:04 GMT
Not forgetting me and les who did Eastbourne! :-p 13.5/ 21.5 suits the tracks that stcc run on, I think from my limited knowledge of what tracks they run, they're all small tight twisties.. It's clear 17.5 in the hands of the right person at bashley can be quicker than most 13.5s so I guess he went with 21.5 as there is a more defined gap and it gets back to the speed people want to run..
The big question there is... With 21.5 being an almost total unknown (Chris N being the only person I know who has one) how many people will mike attract to the class!? How many will drop down from 13.5!? I guess only time will tell..
In the mean time I know the BRCA will be consulting clubs about what should be run at the "clubmans series" perhaps we can use the BRCA event at moto arena to push home the clubs love of 17.5!?
Maybe we could suggest our track be considered for a round, as we fit the class of motor quite well!?
Perhaps we need a co-ordinator or spokesperson??
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 1, 2010 23:19:40 GMT
Sorry Matt, not according to the STCC results. You had better get on the 'phone and get us some more points!
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Post by mattsedgley on Nov 1, 2010 23:47:35 GMT
oh really?! oops!
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 2, 2010 0:08:48 GMT
Clubmans series will be for 13.5 and 17.5, that should keep everyone happy!
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Post by Reuben on Nov 2, 2010 8:57:19 GMT
Clubmans series will be for 13.5 and 17.5, that should keep everyone happy! As long and people do it. if its seen as a "2nd class" series, no one will do it. However they will do STCC instead (even though its the same classes, its seen as a more premier series). Weird!! Should do a round at Bashley ill do 17.5 for it. |
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 2, 2010 12:21:56 GMT
Different classes in the STCC Reuben, 21.5 not 17.5
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Post by mattsedgley on Nov 2, 2010 17:52:52 GMT
thats what Reuben means pete - that the STCC has been runningn longer and is using differnt running gear..
Don't forget.. the Clubmans series will be zero timing.. sphere anyone?
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Post by lesbaldry on Nov 2, 2010 17:57:47 GMT
Sounds like a good SHMCC agm proposal Nice idea but WAY WAY to many classes for the amount of racers we have. Also looking at the speed of the pro-eco cars of Chris and Dave vs the 17.5's yesterday, there wasnt much in it down the straight. And I think the pro eco motor may be quicker than a 21.5 with boost? Making the 21.5 an expensive irrelevant class to run on its own? In my opinion we should run: Eco Pro-Eco 17.5 OpenTC I think our current system isnt broke, so dont need to fix it? Ill go with that too a deffo don't fix whats not broke,we all know than anything with more grunt that a 13.5/10.5 is harder to drive! As for Pro Eco ....I did suggest that this class wouldn't be that much slower than Ye Olde 27t after I tested it some while back!! I'm not sure what the Pro Eco guys are running ,27t's? as thats what I tested.....how about opening up the Pro Eco class to say the 21t ,same price just a little quicker,should they want too. Reubs I think 21.5 3rd gen would probably have similar pace to 17.5 2nd gen?...IMHO 17.5 spec esc would be the perfect entry level for brushless stock,not 21.5 open esc as this brings into play the complexity's of Profiles and programing with lap tops for the new driver...and we all know that aint easy. |
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 2, 2010 21:18:36 GMT
You are right there Les. 17.5 non NG would be better. On the other hand the 21.5 NG give greater growth for less money. As always never easy but on nbalance I think you have it
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 2, 2010 21:22:12 GMT
Clubmans series will be for 13.5 and 17.5, that should keep everyone happy! As long and people do it. if its seen as a "2nd class" series, no one will do it. However they will do STCC instead ([glow=red,2,300] even though its the same classes[/glow], its seen as a more premier series). Weird!! Should do a round at Bashley ill do 17.5 for it. Are we reading the same post Matt. As I said Clubmans and STCC are running different classes |
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 2, 2010 21:26:48 GMT
thats what Reuben means pete - that the STCC has been runningn longer and is using differnt running gear.. Don't forget.. the Clubmans series will be zero timing.. sphere anyone? I didn't forget Matt;the only info I have seen is Ben Cosgrove' s post yesterday and he didn't say anything about timing. Not saying you are wrong, hopefully you are right but I have not seen any details posted apart from that |
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Post by mattsedgley on Nov 2, 2010 22:49:57 GMT
who knows pete! the forum moves at such a rate some days it's hard to keep up, my zero timing comment is based on what someone said who was there.. so there is the possibility that i'm wrong! (regularly i am  ) |
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Post by Reuben on Nov 2, 2010 23:01:05 GMT
I'm not sure what the Pro Eco guys are running ,27t's? as thats what I tested.....how about opening up the Pro Eco class to say the 21t ,same price just a little quicker,should they want too. Eco / Pro-Eco are running 21t Ansmann and 22t Maverick motors I believe. Ide love to give one a go to see how it compared in lap times vs older 17.5, see if I could squeeze 19 laps out of a 22t Maverick. Maybe I could borrow a pro-eco car for a day..... |
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Post by mattsedgley on Nov 2, 2010 23:02:21 GMT
lol 008 009 t3'11 eny meany miny mo...
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Post by Reuben on Nov 2, 2010 23:52:48 GMT
lol 008 009 t3'11 eny meany miny mo... non of which can fit a pro-eco motor, hence why Paul got rid I believe |
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Post by yellowshark on Nov 3, 2010 0:28:49 GMT
lol 008 009 t3'11 eny meany miny mo... lol if I knew where that was coming from Matt I am sure I would have a smart bottom response. I am sure if someone from the agm said non timing then that is right. Was that just 17.5 or 13.5 too? |
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.....so what should be suggested as an entry level then?....trouble is no mater what the BRCA/regional series do for an entry level most new drivers will still want to have a missile regardless,Its what they see racing !!!.... so I feel a slower entry level will be very poorly attended so there for unfortunately a waste of time!
.. I think this frightens a few off from trying 
A no win situation?
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