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Post by Simon Crabb on Mar 3, 2010 15:59:22 GMT
Just to chuck my 2p in.
I've moved to off-road, and one open class is so refreshing. Sure, it's hard work trying to handle the mod power, but, you can just as easily bolt in a lower power motor and still do okay - less mistakes. ie drive within one's limits and enjoy it.
And, I'm very pleased to not have to even really think about speedos or gearing, or temperatures or stuff. Sure, a cursory glance is needed, but far much more time is spent on damping and tyres than anything else really.
Perhaps TC should go one open class and one stock class. The one stock class being very tightly controlled, aimed at the beginner / club racer.
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 3, 2010 16:25:36 GMT
Maybe even a two tier stock class? F1 as unlimited 17.5 (or 21.5 if that's what you want) and an F2 as control speedo and motor for the beginner or those who do not want to spend lots (like me)!! 21.5 Ian?? yes this was mentioned on race chat,bugger me 18 months ago lots were moaning 17.5 was tooooo slow..21.5 hmmm are we to be behind the states yet again as this class is quite popular over there. Im thinking 17.5 with the new esc and 1350 grm will be more than fast enough as an entry level or good clubmans fun series...probably very very close to early 13.5s and stock spec at the old weight,1500gr? |
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 3, 2010 16:57:37 GMT
Nah I reckon 27 turn elastic band racing is the way to go. No timing issues, no gearing issues and use any tyre you like.
I suppose someone would start experimenting with different thicknesses of rubber though.......
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 3, 2010 21:05:49 GMT
Nah I reckon 27 turn elastic band racing is the way to go. No timing issues, no gearing issues and use any tyre you like. I suppose someone would start experimenting with different thicknesses of rubber though....... A range of good condition 27Ts available. Each comes with 5 free pairs of quality (Trinity 757) brushes. Lathe with spare rubber bandy thing available too. PM me with requirements ;D |
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Post by gwesty on Mar 3, 2010 21:07:17 GMT
having read all the posts here so far it seems to me that your all missing the biggest factor regarding speedo set ups . this being track time ! who do you think taught grainger etc the settings  . ive spent days and days running setups (car and speedos ) its easy to say so and so is faster than me but rather than moan get out there and adjust things to work out how it changes car or speedo |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 3, 2010 21:10:16 GMT
but, you can just as easily bolt in a lower power motor and still do okay - less mistakes. ie drive within one's limits and enjoy it. Exactly Simon, that is my point (or at least one of them  ) |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 3, 2010 21:29:05 GMT
J Perhaps TC should go one open class and one stock class. The one stock class being very tightly controlled, aimed at the beginner / club racer. Not picking up on your point specifically Simon but a number of people in and out of this forum have said similar. I do not understand this point about club racers. Are we not all club racers? Just because we want to race faster than Stock doesn't make us non club - do not recall this ever being said about people running 19T. Ian's point about putting F1/F2 into Stock is fair enough. Probably not too different from my point; I was looking at it from the opposite perspective of if you want to go faster in stock(17.5), why not just spend £80 on a 13.5 and go into Pro stock F2. The guys with 13.5 etc and super expensive ESCs will either be in F1, or be in F2 because they cannot control them, are going off all the time and you will beat them with your inexpensive ESC. How do you control it - well if I recall the Aldershot website correctly they have a rating system based on your race times, so your rating puts you in F1 or F2 |
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 4, 2010 8:02:36 GMT
I suppose someone would start experimenting with different thicknesses of rubber though....... Ive found a secret down load to test the duration,punch and top end speed of various grades of bands...@ www.windup.co.uk |
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 4, 2010 8:28:34 GMT
having read all the posts here so far it seems to me that your all missing the biggest factor regarding speedo set ups . this being track time ! who do you think taught grainger etc the settings . ive spent days and days running setups (car and speedos ) its easy to say so and so is faster than me but rather than moan get out there and adjust things to work out how it changes car or speedo Hey count me out of that one chap  ....Im all for evolution,my beef is just to keep it simple for us clubies with limited time, skills and funds...lap tops at clubbie events could well turn a few people away for reasons already debated....less clubies=less sponsered drivers  ......any one Fancy rock crawling or model yachts ;D |
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 4, 2010 8:45:42 GMT
It's the same argument in most sports. Money versus technology. We all want to see technology progress but not all can afford to buy it. This will create a class system on it's own if we are not careful. The have's and the have nots.
So who is for Tamiya silver can racing? ;D ;D
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Post by wessex88 on Mar 4, 2010 10:04:24 GMT
I suppose someone would start experimenting with different thicknesses of rubber though....... Ive found a secret down load to test the duration,punch and top end speed of various grades of bands...@ www.windup.co.uk ;D ;D ;D |
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 4, 2010 10:55:05 GMT
It's the same argument in most sports. Money versus technology. We all want to see technology progress but not all can afford to buy it. This will create a class system on it's own if we are not careful. The have's and the have nots. So who is for Tamiya silver can racing? ;D ;D Yep spot on Ian...the enoying part is that an esc is 2/3rds the price of a top notch chassis..that bugs me slightly especialy when the are made for pence out of recycled Woks and black bean sauce ;D.....my £1000 tv that I brought 2 years ago now can be had for £600...cheaper technology my "donkys rear"...it aint filtered down to our hobby yet  ....some one somewhere is taking the kidney filtered beer out of us.Probably some spotty faced pencil necked PC geek drawing 100k a year for writing programs...bugger im in the wrong job lol Ps OH and I dont want to open up a debate on development costs..im just making "lite"of the subject |
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 4, 2010 11:32:45 GMT
Yep Les, my £250 DVD player is now £19.99 at Tesco. It has always been the same although with our kit, you are paying for the latest technology and even if older kit is a lot cheaper we would not buy it would we. The industry is driven by our wants, if we did not want it then no one would make it. In that respect it is our own fault, but heah, we know deep down we really do want it, don't we? Ok so a techie question here. If you have a speedo/esc that has every possible parameter available for adjustment by PC/laptop then why would we ever want to buy another one? If these new speedos are so adjustable there is surely no need to buy a new one? What would you get from a new one that you could not do with the one you have? The other thing is this. The new generation speedos have enough computing power to get a man to the moon so why do we have to play with the adjustments, why do they not sort it out for themselves. A few quick laps for the speedo to measure what you do and when and then auto adjust the parameters to suit your driving style and the track you are on. If you are holding full throttle for a period of time it automatically increases the amount of power available at that time, if you heavy brake for a certain corner then it adjusts the power of the brakes to suit. Wht do we need to be playing around with settings surely that's what computers are for and lets face it, these speedos are indeed mini computers. All beyond me. Mechanical speedos and silver can motors oh what bliss.  ;D |
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 4, 2010 12:08:12 GMT
The other thing is this. The new generation speedos have enough computing power to get a man to the moon so why do we have to play with the adjustments, why do they not sort it out for themselves. A few quick laps for the speedo to measure what you do and when and then auto adjust the parameters to suit your driving style and the track you are on. If you are holding full throttle for a period of time it automatically increases the amount of power available at that time, if you heavy brake for a certain corner then it adjusts the power of the brakes to suit. Wht do we need to be playing around with settings surely that's what computers are for and lets face it, these speedos are indeed mini computers. ;D Just to add fuel to the fire and this is not bovine excreta there is something like this on the horizon...so im informed....like fuzzy logic that can be told where abouts on the track certain power is needed....hmmmm......all we need now is to train a monkey to steer for us,or down load the reactions from a figter pilot doing Mach 2 at low level...oh sorry thats just for when we are told by the experts to drive Mod only. ;D |
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Post by martinchallis on Mar 4, 2010 13:22:44 GMT
Turnplate Speedo FTW
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 4, 2010 13:23:13 GMT
Now you are just being silly Les. ;D
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 4, 2010 14:19:51 GMT
Now you are just being silly Les. ;D No chap apparently not...Similar Tech is allready and has been for a while in some of our road cars...Its sensative to the divers input ,engine loading demands and adjusts the ecu mapping to suit driving style and conditions. The MP that sorts the decision's for efficiency and performance is no bigger than your thumb nail |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 20:08:08 GMT
] .my £1000 tv that I brought 2 years ago now can be had for £600...c) Count yourself lucky Les that is 20% simple per annum. My ESC has dropped 50% in 6 months. Derh that means in 18 months time I will owe someone the same I paid for it |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 20:09:09 GMT
Ok so a techie question here. If you have a speedo/esc that has every possible parameter available for adjustment by PC/laptop then why would we ever want to buy another one? If these new speedos are so adjustable there is surely no need to buy a new one? What would you get from a new one that you could not do with the one you have? ;D |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 20:11:24 GMT
Ok so a techie question here. If you have a speedo/esc that has every possible parameter available for adjustment by PC/laptop then why would we ever want to buy another one? If these new speedos are so adjustable there is surely no need to buy a new one? What would you get from a new one that you could not do with the one you have? ;D Better algorithmns my dear boy.Like those in a current 250quid DVD rather than your old now19.99 DVD |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 20:18:38 GMT
Ok so a techie question here. If you have a speedo/esc that has every possible parameter available for adjustment by PC/laptop then why would we ever want to buy another one? If these new speedos are so adjustable there is surely no need to buy a new one? What would you get from a new one that you could not do with the one you have? ;D Better algorithmns my dear boy.Like those in a current 250quid DVD rather than your old now19.99 DVD Jeez finger troubles tonight and I think I am going to be able to push a few buttons properly on the plug and play on Sunday .... and there's the rub. Do you spend the money or hope your current people can improve theirs to the same or enhanced level and download it to you for free - so get free 7 card stud for your money as well as TC racing - bargain |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 20:20:20 GMT
The other thing is this. The new generation speedos have enough computing power to get a man to the moon ;D Cheaper too, bargain ;D |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 20:22:59 GMT
A few quick laps for the speedo to measure what you do and when and then auto adjust the parameters to suit your driving style and the track you are on. If you are holding full throttle for a period of time it automatically increases the amount of power available at that time, if you heavy brake for a certain corner then it adjusts the power of the brakes to suit. ;D That will be the GEN 6 ones Ian. That's what the sensor cable is really for |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 20:26:34 GMT
What do we need to be playing around with settings surely that's what computers are for and lets face it, these speedos are indeed mini computers. ;D Actually i would rather finish the race and not have the car dump on me when half a lap ahead on the last lap - avoid any ESC with a sticker saying certified by Microsoft RC  |
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Post by Reuben on Mar 4, 2010 21:45:46 GMT
Pete you know you could have put all that in one post?
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 4, 2010 23:14:00 GMT
Pete you know you could have put all that in one post? I think he's been at the whiskey again Reubs  ;D |
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Post by Reuben on Mar 4, 2010 23:18:32 GMT
you mean the red wine - and now hes passed out and stopped posting, quick you may be able to get him to buy a Schumacher or Photon
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 23:20:24 GMT
Pete you know you could have put all that in one post? Yup but I don't know how to Reuben. You could give me a master class on Sunday but too scared to bring my laptop |
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 4, 2010 23:24:49 GMT
you mean the red wine - and now hes passed out and stopped posting, quick you may be able to get him to buy a Schumacher or Photon ;D ;D ;D......I got the giggles over that one |
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 4, 2010 23:41:26 GMT
;D Been on it all week Les, the only way to make sense of this stuff
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. ive spent days and days running setups (car and speedos ) its easy to say so and so is faster than me but rather than moan get out there and adjust things to work out how it changes car or speedo 
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....Im all for evolution,my beef is just to keep it simple for us clubies with limited time, skills and funds...lap tops at clubbie events could well turn a few people away for reasons already debated....less clubies=less sponsered drivers 
......any one Fancy rock crawling or model yachts ;D
....some one somewhere is taking the kidney filtered beer out of us.Probably some spotty faced pencil necked PC geek drawing 100k a year for writing programs...bugger im in the wrong job lol
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