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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 1, 2010 8:27:00 GMT
Having watched the New gen speedo's in action yesterday at Newbury,Reuben and I were chatting about their performance increase,could we compete with theses cars?? (regardless of our ability) No!! not with the gear we have at the moment With the current weight change 13.5 appeared to be as fast as 10.5/1500 gr was "frightning stuff"...I was thinking of consentrating on this class for the coming season but 17.5 is looking a better prospect for my old thumbs lol Theres an interesting debate on race chats forum under touring cars tittled "are we in danger of",theres some very valid points and I can see both sides of the debate,personally I sit on the fence with this one,but I also "feel" for the new driver For those not old enough to remember the early days of digital speedos this "speedo war" reared its head with many a similar debate,those days saw a new faster,lighter easier speedo produced every couple of months at extortionate prices too Whats your thoughts chaps
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Post by darrenoakley on Mar 1, 2010 10:17:26 GMT
Not got much experience really, but from my point of view its the manufactures winning not the club racer.All the time newer faster things are coming out it just ups the anti and the once the majority have the new tech and demand drops off they release something newer and faster to keep us buying. lets face it we all like to have new tech but can we really use it, I know i for one cant. (it doesnt stop me wanting it though) What forum is the thread on Les ? cant find it on race chat mate.
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 1, 2010 10:27:52 GMT
RC Race chats Ellectric section,Touring car only thread Darren not far from the top...a setperate thread titaled "are we in danger of"
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Post by Reuben on Mar 1, 2010 11:33:03 GMT
Yeh it was a sight to behold!
There has been a big change in speed now the weight has changed, as people are now able to gear up and a lighter car is faster. coupled with a new fancy esc and its difficult to tell the difference between a 13.5 running new software/speedo and a 10.5 running older gear.
We just need to be careful as a club not to scare newer racers away. as the competition at club level may turn into a very visible split: those who can afford a speedo a week and those who cant - regardless of driving ability.
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Post by Reuben on Mar 1, 2010 11:34:59 GMT
also at our track it doesnt make as much as a difference and the newer speedo's may be worth half a lap at most in the right hands. but in most of our hands they wont make to much difference unless your running the right software and know someone who understands the software.
also indoors at the hall it makes sod-all difference and recent finding suggest that the older-style punchyer speedos are better.
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 1, 2010 14:06:57 GMT
As I said on Racechat Les, what has changed ; . No different to NiCD wars or 27T wars (admittedly somewhat cheaper) If you cannot drive around the track race after race without coming off why do you want one. Stick with electronics you can control and practise your driving. 0.5 sec a lap faster is no use if you loose 5-7 secs every race with an off. And the good point is that last years ancient speedos have dropped 50% in price making the sport cheaper. I think the one real thing that is different is the rate of change. Because this stuff is software not mechanical, significant improvements can be made and taken to market relatively rapidly To quote a post from Racechat today “I ran a Tekin up until version 200 was out at this point the gms had new software so was lacking pace so I switched over to a gm hey presto power again I have been running a GM now with the tekin having new software and the new line of speedos all coming out Im thinking what the hell to do now.. do I stick with the gm or do I spend another £200 - £300 to get something else... crazy” The good thing is he doesn’t actually have to go out a buy a 3rd speedo, he can just update the Tekin firmware. Was he getting the best out of the Tekin, on average probably not, so you could argue he should have stuck with it in the first place and saved himself £200-300. I think the real key point is newbies, which is not easy, but it is up the experienced club members to try an impart words of wisdom that are taken on-board. Learning your craft is much more important it seems to me than chasing the latest update. But as I said to you last year Les, it had been my intent to keep Craig in 27T (that’s 27T not 17.5) for another year but he wanted to do Pro-Stock, so I acquiesced and took the plunge into brushless(taking a large amount of wedge with me) – so much for words of wisdom! The people I feel sorry for are dumbos like me who spent £200+ on new speedo halfway through last season only to now be left wondering what to do. As you know this dumbo decided. Personally I cannot wait to get the thing on the track and get down to some programming on the laptop – reminds of the good old days with 27T and the VFS-1 speedo ;D At the end of the day all active sport generates advancement in equipment, even if it is nothing more than the football boot. I remember my dad buying me a £15 pair of Adidas Mexico boots – which I suspect was more than his weekly wage packet. Did he have to, no. Did I pester him, you bet. Did it make me a better footballer, probably. One thing is for sure we won’t be talking about this in 2011. We probably will be talking about XRAY’s revolutionary expensive shock absorber that everyone wants. Lunch break unstructured brain drizzle – will probably come back tonight with more and quite possibly contradictory views.
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 1, 2010 15:01:10 GMT
As I said on Racechat Les, what has changed ; If you cannot drive around the track race after race without coming off why do you want one. Stick with electronics you can control and practise your driving. 0.5 sec a lap faster is no use if you loose 5-7 secs every race with an off. Nice reading Pete a different point of view as usual I agree with the above Pete but some people regardless of ability will feel disadvantaged,as long as theses types feel they are on a level playing field they are happy,Take this away and you will hear moans ....Im no Andy More but If I was in the same race as this guy and his equipment was known to be superior to be honest I would feel the same,its self satisfaction that you know its you and not the ESC/down load/motor thats slow ;D I just feel sorry for the new,young and some who dont have the "know how" to get the best out of a down load ,Ive also seen many motors pop due to lack of "know how" with theses ESC's....An expensive way to learn that Max settings on all is not the fastest just the hottest Down loading someone else's ESC setting does not necessarily work "trust me I found this out with my GM"....the feel of the speedo power application can be as personal to you as your chassis set up is!! for us clubies Its bad enough gearing,timing and temping with a "push and play " ESC at the moment....I dont fancy faffing around with a lap top for individual tracks on the day thanks.....Am I a technophobe??nah!! I believe ESC's in any clubmans series should be technically advanced yes!!(latest manufactures down load type included) but push and play type only,unfortunately hard to police!! Lap top on the day programing should be for world class events with world class drivers.theres too many Anoraks out there with "all the gear and no idea" that can confuse the new driver to think its nessasery!!!!plus I have no intention to carry or buy a lap top as part of my race kit. Stock classes should be just that "stock!!" avaliable to all.
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 1, 2010 21:35:20 GMT
I’m tempted to say I agree with everything you say Les. I’ll use the word sympathetic, agreeing kills debate ;D
Its funny, we wouldn’t buy an Mi4 if it were no faster than our 3; we wouldn’t buy a T3 if it were no faster than our 009; we wouldn’t buy a Photon if it were no faster etc. etc. But we don’t see these type of debates on that and we are quite happy to go out and spend £300 + on a new car even though we bought our current car last year.
Indeed quite the opposite, we laud the new features and ideas that make it better handling and faster.
In essence I am not sure how different this ESC subject is from someone racing an old chassis against someone racing the latest Schumacher etc.; hardly a level playing field either.
Let’s go back to brushless for a moment. Nothing personal here, I am using you as an example Les. You were one of the best, probably the best, at tuning a brushed engine. Why, well somewhere along the line you must have spent a lot of time learning, experimenting etc. As far as I am concerned you deserved to reap your rewards. A level playing field, no. Did anyone resent it, I doubt it. On the contrary they would have been thankful for the help you gave them, even though they had no chance of running with an engine as fast as yours.
I had never seen an electric motor until 3 years ago. But I spent time reading and asking. I had never used a lathe but learned how to. In the end I could tune my motor and make it go a bit faster than if I just left it there.
I don’t think TC racing is about taking something out of the box and that’s it. Part of the fun is making your package go faster (after all the essence of motorsport). We all accept that tuning our chassis is necessary; those that do not will not go as fast as those that do; no one complains about that.
Back to the point in hand. Of course I have no basis on which to make this statement but I actually think that getting these escs to do the business is probably easier than getting your car setup right; less variables and the basics are easier to understand. Indeed I see no reason why an apprentice (one up from a newbie) could not take quicker to esc configuration than to chassis configuration – background comes into that point of course; notwithstanding a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, a lot of people now are very comfortable with software and configuration.
But you are right the real issue is newbies and also club level. A newbie doesn’t need GEN 2 ESC let alone a Gen 3. He just needs a speedo he can leave alone with no settings to worry about, get the gearing right and focus on learning how to drive and then how to race. As I said in my previous post that is down to us to impart wisdom – I don’t see any other way. Picking up your Andy Moore paragraph point. Of course you are right. Maybe now is the right time to introduce F1 & F2 into Stock class (only) with trophies etc. That will give newbies a chance to win something, thus also encouraging school kids, and maybe stem the desire to have the latest thing – probably not! I accept that not everyone has a laptop and not everyone will want to lug it to the race meeting – of course they will because they will want to monitor the wireless real - time transmission of results and competitor lap times whilst they prep their tyres. ;D
I see no reason why the vast majority of settings cannot, given some time, be transferred to the buttons. There is also no reason why a range of settings cannot be pre-configured and made accessible from the buttons. At the end of the day the algorithms are in the firmware and the buttons, as is the PC software, are only a user interface to the algorithms. Yes fine tuning will have to be restricted to software for some of the settings – I do not immediately see how you could easily set start and end rpms for the application of boost, but in reality how much difference will fine tuning make to the majority I wonder? I may be being over simplistic here It seems to me that if you want to race prostock or superstock you are already in the realm of having the commitment to use this stuff and, to the best of your ability, get the most out of it and like any other technical advance it has its place.
Of course if I do blow up a motor each week over the next few months I do reserve the right to deny everything in this post.
Disclaimer: the writer would like it known that he has never run one of the ESCs and therefore has no basis whatsoever to make any comment on the subject. He does though have one in his car ready to role and has spent countless hours over the past 6 or 7 weeks reading every article and posting ever made on the Net, apart from the recent interruption caused by the Winter Olympics. He hopes that the divorce settlement will leave some cash to replace the motors he is about to blow up.
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 2, 2010 8:33:51 GMT
Good points Pete. But I wonder how you would feel if Craig got his doors blown off by some one with the same gear and ability but is privy to secret info and has a better know how with a lap top....It would irritate me .....I feel on the day and personal profiling is over complicating the stock classes for the clubman. Matt S is no pratt with a PC and even he is finding profiling hard work,its just complicating the already multiple variables we have with speedo,motors and timing at the moment.
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 2, 2010 8:53:59 GMT
I get the feeling we have had this debate before and no doubt will again although maybe about another item of RC equipment other than speedos.
Life moves on as does technology. I am sure that no one would want it to stand still unfortunately it will always mean more expense to those who feel they need that "extra" adjustment.
Whatever the answer is, and I suspect there is not one, people/clubs should be looking at ways to encourage new people into racing rather than frightening them away with horrendous tales of having to spend hundreds every month.
Classes with limits on kit would be the way forward for this as the Ansmann class has proved although how far up the scale you take this is a matter for discussion.
Even F1 which is supposed to be the technological pinnacle is hampered by quite restrictive legislation and yet they still manage to push the limits .
To be honest, for those who have an amount of ability but not the funds to support the latest piece of kit every five minutes, the prospects of going racing and constantly thinking you are not going to be quick enough must be demoralising even if it is not necessarily true. Seems to me to be a ceratin way to drive people out of the sport.
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Post by Reuben on Mar 2, 2010 11:58:40 GMT
Its much like the weight change, we discuss and discuss but it makes no difference. At the end of the discussion someone is always willing to spend the extra to go faster - the manufacturers know this, so they will provide what people will buy. And we either follow suit or get left behind.
plus these secret profiles and all that jazz are no different to setup secrets that already exist within the hobby. Someone always knows more than someone else - which is why they are usually faster, but because setup is usually more personal we never be-grudge someone for holding back or hiding setup info? Its because how easy it is to download a profile and blow the doors of someone that you shouldnt do that leaves a sour taste.
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 2, 2010 12:56:33 GMT
Good points Pete. But I wonder how you would feel if Craig got his doors blown off by some one with the same gear and ability but is privy to secret info and has a better know how with a lap top....It would irritate me .....I feel on the day and personal profiling is over complicating the stock classes for the clubman. Matt S is no pratt with a PC and even he is finding profiling hard work,its just complicating the already multiple variables we have with speedo,motors and timing at the moment. That sort of question is always tricky Les. I know that initially I would look on it as a challenge and would beaver away Saturday after Saturday working it out. If I failed yup I would probably be peed off, but hey life goes on and it wouldn't stop US racing - you drop down a league and carry on having fun! Your 2nd para is interesting; I don't see this as a PC thing at all - that is only the interface and yup not everyone is comfortable with that technclogy but the younguns coming into the sport are. Surely it is about understanding how the engine works and what the impact the parmaters you are feeding in will have on the engine. I have loads of expertise on the former and minimal on the latter which is why I am looking forward to it. Blimey you mean Matt has got one of these new fangled things and still cannot keep up with us ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Are we debating a non existing issue?
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 2, 2010 13:04:10 GMT
.. rather than frightening them away with horrendous tales of having to spend hundreds every month. That's the negative with the Net Ian. One person (pedigree unnown to me) makes a post on racechat. It gets picked up and debated at length and now appears on our forum. If it had not been for that one post, maybe we would not be discssing it. And indeed it seems that Matt has proven that to be the case ;D ;D ;D Hey Matt if you bury us on Sunday you will of course have the last laugh
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 2, 2010 13:16:41 GMT
Right the Reuben. Sometimes in terms of raw car speed we can match the "best", sometime we can't. We are never ahead. It never puts us off racing and I am sure the same goes for you Just spotetd the new Muchmore LTB-1 charger. it claims to do a 7000mah in 20 minutes. More expense
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 2, 2010 13:42:17 GMT
[quote author=yellowshark board=general thread=1776 post[/quote]
Your 2nd para is interesting; I don't see this as a PC thing at all - that is only the interface and yup not everyone is comfortable with that technclogy but the younguns coming into the sport are. Surely it is about understanding how the engine works and what the impact the parmaters you are feeding in will have on the engine. I have loads of expertise on the former and minimal on the latter which is why I am looking forward to it. [/quote]
The people who will benifit are the guys that are already fast,they will understand the feel of the power and adapt it to his style and be even faster...I think it may pay to be a driver befor faffin with profiles...I wouldnt fancy a non driver fideling with my chips,whoops "pop" there go,es another one ;D....good luck Pete
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 2, 2010 13:49:41 GMT
There is one very certain thing in all this.
Technology will continue to advance and those that A) Can afford it and B) Know how to get the most out of it,
will be using it.
To my simple mind the question here is not to restrict the developement of it but to restrict the cost of it. Having said that the top classes SHOULD be using it and helping the developement of it. It is more the club level, where the majority of racing takes place, that needs controls on it before it creates (oh and maybe it already has!) a "them and us" class system, or is that what is already in place?
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 2, 2010 14:58:19 GMT
Slightly off topic but there is some mutterings on another forum about the cars becoming too fast and do we need to slow them down. One or two posts are even starting to recommend that 17.5 should be the true stock class and 13.5 super/pro stock with anything else mod....hmmmm a bit slow on the uptake are us Brits ::)this is what the U.S is Doing,they spotted this a long time ago and so did one or two of us!!! .... but we were slagged off, condemning 17.5 as a boring class even though it was as fast and became even faster than the 27t grass roots where most of theses slaggers and speed freaks started AND LEARNED in the closest hardest fort National class ever !!!.....17.5 wont be "slow"now and in my mind never was,this is where the fun close racing is for us clubbies. The more I think of this the more attractive the cheapness,respectable speed and driving skill of GT10 is becoming...bugger I must be getting old ..lol
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 2, 2010 16:07:59 GMT
That is one of the reasons I bought the F1 car Les. Having the latest and fastest motor/speedo don't help in a rear wheel drive car as you know.
We will see how this class works out.
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Post by mattsedgley on Mar 2, 2010 18:12:01 GMT
I've been trying to avoid getting involved in this thread,
I have to admit, I'm really really frustrated with the speedo technology at the minute, I have in the last couple of months spanked a three figure sum on "new" speedo technology.
I've spent 4 days at various places playing with my new speedo to get it working well and comfortable for me..
Only to turn up on Sunday and get spanked, totally without compromise from yet another new speedo, baring a roll in qualifying I would have made the top heat, however all the cars above me in the quali list were doing .5 of a second a lap more than me.... I feel not on lines, in outright speed, and it would seem a willingness to run motors into three figure temperatures also. (just having to marshall the A final highlighted how many mistakes some drivers made and still managed to get in the top heat) I find working on the P.C at a race meeting to be a pain in the bottom. I can easily add or remove 20 C in temp by changing just one setting and the variables easly run into a 30 something figure, it's truely mind boggling.
however in comparison between my "push button" and my "PC" speedo - I much prefer the feel of the p.c speedo on the track. Don't get me wrong you dont need the laptop out all the time but there are advantages to using it at the track aswell as disadvantages (not to mention looking like a total f'kin geek!)
I'm not about to jump out and buy yet another speedo, but I'm not far off it, it's clear that whatever gear you have, you've got to know how to work it,
On Sunday, the cars going down the straight were squatting at the rear with the power, and for some you could see it was a job to keep them pointing in a straight line. That much power from a 13.5 to me is worrying, the step from 17.5 would now seem to be huge,
I to hope that we can keep encouraging new members into the sport, however is tighter regulation the way forwards?
If I get my doors blown off at the first round of a regional will I be spending my hard earned on a new speedo?
There has to come a point where each individual says enough is enough.. it's a hobby, it's fun, it's not supposed to drain all of your finances. I could think of other ways i could spend three figure sums at the weekend, and they'd be more fun!
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 2, 2010 20:17:04 GMT
however in comparison between my "push button" and my "PC" speedo - I much prefer the feel of the p.c speedo on the track. Don't get me wrong you dont need the laptop out all the time but there are advantages to using it at the track aswell as disadvantages (not to mention looking like a total f'kin geek!) Good to get some first hand feedback Matt. Reading between the lines your comment above suggests you found your car controllable, would that be right? Are you able to understand why it felt better? Your comments bring to the fore a thought in my mind that when visiting it will be more difficult to get on par with a local driver. Eg for us visiting Eastbourne is one more tooth on the pinion, job done. I assume it won't be as easy at that, or will it? I guess my pink PC isn't going to go down to well then ;D
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Post by www.YDMRCC.com on Mar 2, 2010 20:34:25 GMT
Very interesting topic lads. However, and one or two have touched on this point. Club racing should be about a bunch of like minded people (blokes mostly) who with a modest budget can and should be having a some close racing at their club. One of the most popular classes we run at YDMRCC is the Hpi Maverick, which must be run straight out the box. Even our top club members enjoy it, takes about 3 laps to build up a pass and one wrong move and your back to chasing the guy in front. It is a job to concentrate on your racing as everyone is laughing so much. I think that says an awful lot A lot of this is about mind set. Do you want to chase the front or just be happy running somewhere in the midfield and enjoying yourself, knowing you have not spent 100's of pounds and still struggle to match the top guys. I say,let em get on with it. I would rather be happy and have a laugh with my race buddies, than have a face like a bulldog chewing a thistle because my latest speedo / motor combo is so yesterday, even after I might have only bought it yesterday!! Just my thoughts, then I am used to being a happy backmarker. In my mind the worst place is plumb last. Now that does make me sad ;D ;D ;D
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Post by Reuben on Mar 2, 2010 22:39:01 GMT
whos up for some MOD racing then? as fast as you can handle / grip available on the track? completely open class - we can all use our spheres / losi etc.
Apparently Chris Grainger reckons its the way forward. lol!
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Post by Mike V on Mar 2, 2010 22:53:07 GMT
surely mod should just be fast, whether you can handle it or not?
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Post by mattsedgley on Mar 2, 2010 23:27:00 GMT
however in comparison between my "push button" and my "PC" speedo - I much prefer the feel of the p.c speedo on the track. Don't get me wrong you dont need the laptop out all the time but there are advantages to using it at the track aswell as disadvantages (not to mention looking like a total f'kin geek!) Good to get some first hand feedback Matt. Reading between the lines your comment above suggests you found your car controllable, would that be right? Are you able to understand why it felt better? Your comments bring to the fore a thought in my mind that when visiting it will be more difficult to get on par with a local driver. Eg for us visiting Eastbourne is one more tooth on the pinion, job done. I assume it won't be as easy at that, or will it? I guess my pink PC isn't going to go down to well then ;D I've found so far that I have more control over the throttle - the speedo's not constantly trying to rev through the roof, and the difference in midrange between the two brands was significant, the gm being the better by far. I suppose you could liken the plug and play to be like a vvt engine and the p.c (with this particular program on it) to be more like a turbo diesel - the mid range grunt just cant be beaten. I would also point out i've used the same profile indoors and out at Aldershot, Bashley and Newbury, so perhaps there isn't as much swapping around as we might think???
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 3, 2010 8:03:26 GMT
whos up for some MOD racing then? as fast as you can handle / grip available on the track? completely open class - we can all use our spheres / losi etc. Apparently Chris Grainger reckons its the way forward. lol! Yep I spotted that too....I think he's forgetting his roots must of been drunk when he posted that I did post a little comment in reply to sober him up to reality and the clubman But has he got a point??I can understand the thinking we all have a throtle,but even if the sensible drivers were to "de tune"a mod to a reasonable pace there will always be others that will be the fastest car between crashes and spoil the race for others...totaly impractical for sensible fun close racing!
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 3, 2010 8:50:08 GMT
As I said before, those that can and want to will spend on the latest kit and that is fine, no problem.
The problem is for those that cannot afford to and the newbies looking to come into the hobby.
No limit racing is OK for the top levels but I do not believe it is right for club level, or at least there should be "options" for those that cannot afford the top level without compromising the chance to race fast.
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 3, 2010 12:30:10 GMT
As I said before, those that can and want to will spend on the latest kit and that is fine, no problem. The problem is for those that cannot afford to and the newbies looking to come into the hobby. No limit racing is OK for the top levels but I do not believe it is right for club level, or at least there should be "options" for those that cannot afford the top level without compromising the chance to race fast. Ok How about stock, generally for Newbies - even if it means changing it to 21.5 or whatever next engine down is Then prostock with F1 and F2 and let 10.5 and 13.5 fight it out. The F1s will generally gravitate to the faster option. The F2s have the choice and and if they go for a slower option they can still win stuff and of course will be racing against others with similar speeds. That is really no different that the club was running iteself a couple of years back when we had f1 & f2 - (why did that go?) and the jump from 27T to 19t was significant Ross races one of the slowest TC setups in the club but still has a ball and the RRC still gives him the chance to win one of those coveted trophies.
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Post by yellowshark on Mar 3, 2010 12:51:47 GMT
I've found so far that I have more control over the throttle - the speedo's not constantly trying to rev through the roof, and the difference in midrange between the two brands was significant, the gm being the better by far. I suppose you could liken the plug and play to be like a vvt engine and the p.c (with this particular program on it) to be more like a turbo diesel - the mid range grunt just cant be beaten. I would also point out i've used the same profile indoors and out at Aldershot, Bashley and Newbury, so perhaps there isn't as much swapping around as we might think??? Hmn interesting Matt, that precisely why I asked the question referring to Eastbourne and the point about just changing a pinion tooth.. Once you have a setup that suits your style and your engine why would you want to keep changing it? If you moved from Bashley to Cotswolds then probably yes, but… Generalist statements - you will want the timing to come in once the torque has run out, at the same time irrespective of which track you are at, You will want the amount and the rate to be the same (generalist statement guys – I accept that one setup might be say too aggressive on another track but Matt is feeling it is more controllable which maybe handles differing grip conditions). Similarly for the straight; I am totally guessing you might want more if you have a longer straight but that is not difficult to adjust and no different to working it out with engine timing as we do at the moment. Maybe the point is that for the clubman taking that approach is fine and for the top guys they can play to their hearts content with their settings for every track they go to. If its working for Matt it will probably work for us all – just a case of getting that base configuration nice.
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Post by lesbaldry on Mar 3, 2010 13:17:43 GMT
I supose there's nothing like copmplicating maters then Advanced tech,better ESC's yes but the push and play type please lets leave the lap tops at home for watching other stuff ;D...just my thoughts
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Post by oldtimeracer on Mar 3, 2010 13:43:54 GMT
Pete I think the stock class is the biggest problem and to a certain extent I agree with Mr Grainger. You can run a mod with an old spec speedo etc and still be competitive, however that cannot be said about stock. With a lower power motor you would want to try everything possible to get that "edge" over everyone else and if that means spending money on the latest techno gadget thingy then that is what (some) people will do.
I am sure this will all sort itself out eventually and in a few months there will be something else to worry about for sure.
A sensible option to my mind would be a control motor and speedo for stock class racing but that will never happen.
Maybe even a two tier stock class? F1 as unlimited 17.5 (or 21.5 if that's what you want) and an F2 as control speedo and motor for the beginner or those who do not want to spend lots (like me)!!
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